what boxing style is needed to beat Floyd Jr.

The key is, to make! him more aggressive.

I believe Mayweather would always have problems with elite left handers. One of the reasons........... the best way to fight a lefty, is to apply pressure, but defensive orientated fighters are often too apprehensive, due to their defensive nature, to go on the front foot and let their hands go, to be the one getting off first. Roy Jones struggled against left handers for the same reason imo, he was too defensive oritanted and saftey first by nature.

Mayweather fought aggressively against Corley, Mitchell, Judah because he realized he had to if he wanted to get any change out of them, but against an elite left hander, say a Whitaker, a Winky Wright(prime), I think he would have a lot of issues, as they would fill any hole (with a counter)he left whilst he was trying to be aggressive, not to mention, Winky has that great right jab.

I believe someone tall, like a Vernon Forrest, would of been able to get him out of his envelope, comfort zone, and make him become more aggressive, simply because Forrest had a comparable reach, but he also had an excellent jab, an ability to keep things long and uses his conventional style to dictate from behind the jab. Mayweather could find his counter punching opportunities few and far between if he fought someone like Forrest, which could lead to him becoming more aggressive.


You could be aggressive against Mayweather, try to force offense out of him that way, but to do that, you would have to apply a different kind of pressure, mental pressure!

If you were to apply pressure, you would have to do it patiently, try to manouvre Mayweather out of the middle of the ring by stalking him back, but to do this, you would have to maintain a good defense as your rolled foward. Think about it, Mayweather's offense is worked off his defense, which is your offense, so if you offer up an easy target, he will be able to generate more offense, but if you offer up less of a target, it can effect his output, now for a guy that is such an economical fighter, that type of thing has a the potential to have a huge impact on how he fights.

The above is why Pacquiao want beat Mayweather IMO, too easy to hit aside from everything else.


You stalk Mayweather back, out of the middle of the ring, whilst not giving him an easy target as you roll foward, he will retreat to the ropes, then he will either invite you in to unload, andl use his defense to slip a punch and move away, or!, he will retreat and try to use lateral movement to reset you. Mayweather will reset you by taking you one way, then the other, then leap in behind a left hook when he has you in transition, after he has just reset you, which is what he did to Corrales time and again. Its your job to cut the ring down, and when you are stalking him off the front foot, and he is trying to get you to dance to his tune by taking you one way then the other, that you use the jab to stabilize that movement, then when you see that you have maneuvered him into a an uncomfortable/vulnerable position, make sure you take full advantage and apply the pressure.

There were quite a few times that Castillo was able to maneuver Mayweather into areas of the ring where he did'nt look comfortable, infact there were times when he would shoot a punch from out of range when in that position, and that is the key to beating Mayweather imo, you have to make him take the lead, make him more aggressive, make him do things he doesn't want to have to do, essentially do to him, what he's trying to do to you.


A side note, keep it at long range, especially when he goes into his defensive shell. Throw the lead right hand when his left hand is down, then slide the back foot out and start doubling the left hook from off his shoulder. Double the jab to his body, then come over the top with the right hand. When Mayweather goes into his shell, as I say, keep it long, but dont! throw in sequence, put your hands in your pocket, as Mayweather is going to try to anticipate what punch your going to follow up with if he makes the first miss, which is where you confuse him by not following up with a conventional combination, like if he rolls the right hand, 9 time out of 10 he knows the person is going to throw something from the left side, as that is where their weight is going to be distributed after missing, so he will either bend under the hook, or catch it on the glove etc, which is why you break his rhythm by changing your own, you put your hands in your pocket in this situation, you dont have a rush of blood to the head cause you have him where you think you want him, and make it easy for him to anticipate what your going to throw so he can roll with it then then slip away, or so he can pick counters in-between your shots, cause that is the trap a lot of fighters fall into when they have him in this position. You have to strategically pick your punches when in this situation, throw double right hands, get off his right side and throw the left hook, as he could potentially bend into that punch because of his philly shell. Throw the upjab after you throw the right hand, cause he cant block whats coming from underneath as well.

Another strategy to break the shoulder roll, turn lefty on him.

 

:yep you're making no sense. He called out Casamayor and Manny didn't come into the picture until 2009

Now you said

But when he first came into the welterweight division, he fought the best southpaw in the division who is faster than him, younger than him and has more power. Manny is the best now of course, but he fought the best southpaw at the time

 

this.


one good punch and chavez would have put him on his ass

Taylor was better and faster than mayweather and look what happened to him


sorry *****s....just stating the facts :hi:

 

dumbass. Floyd is better than Meldrick Taylor and there is more to boxing that speed. Did you forget the part where Meldrick was up on all cards even after the KO.
If you said Pernell then I would agree, but Pernell beat Chavez

 

with the current crop of welters out there .....they have a chance of beating floyd because this current floyd doesnt have the power to knock out a real welter....he even had a hard time putting out an old man like mosely......much like cotto and marg who are very tenacious and keeps coming forward ( these men are not like hatton who just brawls )

 

Its sad when a guy like Mayweather who rose up from 5 weight divisions fighting the majority of his career vs guys who were bigger, stronger and more powerfull then him to be champ. Is dissed and called a ***** while a guy like Margarito who's whole boxing career has been based off trying to pick on smaller fighters is called tough. Who also not only did he need to chase smaller fighters but also needed to use plaster in order to beat small fighters.

Let me see Margo move up 2 weight divisions and win a belt. Show me his toughness.

 

in fairness to marg he put up a good show against pac ..... clottey didnt even bother to go toe to toe with pac but he did

 

Yea just putting examples of fighters that would give him problems style wise. If I picked one then it would be Leonard.

 

Who has stopped Mosley? :think

 

Agree 100%. Margarito is not 1/2 the fighter Floyd is...yet, people need to cling to something to discredit Floyd.

Cotto is a good fighter. But, he is at least a level below Floyd.

There was NOTHING Cotto or Margarito held, in terms of star power, championships, or whatever, that made it MANDATORY for Floyd to face them. They probably would've been good matchups to see...but, they were NOT legacy defining fights. Haters just like to use this as 'ammo' to hate on Floyd. It's stupid really.

 

damn well put

 

If Mosley would have anything left after second round the fight wouldn't last long.
Yes Floyd adopted but that is because Mosley stopped punching due to exhaustion.
One or two more punches like in the second round and Floyd's legs would be gone forever.

... who would be able to repeat what Mosley did ... someone fast and explosive like PAC,
Mosley 2-3 years ago without blood drainage, Trinidad .... Valero?

 

style wise..... roy jones jr....style...would be interesting against floyd......

 

I didn't know Shane only threw 2 punches in the second

 

... but he landed two strong ... too bad there was only two of them.