What boxing truths have U refused to accept?

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  1. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I beleve that natural talent plays a large part in secuess. I also beleve that one can improve on all aspacts rather they are naturly gifted or not. This dose not mean that everyone can be a world class boxer.
    I picked up a Issue of the magizine that Illustrates Sports. It had an article on what makes great athletes. The conclusion was a combonation of nature and nuture. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a great example of this. Mayweather is a great natural talent. He also grew up in a boxing family his Uncle Roger was a world class boxer his Father Floyd Sr. and Uncle Jeff were also very good boxer. He was learning to be a boxer from a very young age. Compound that with his natural talent for the sport and you have one of the best boxers in the sport.
    Natural talent plays another key role in the devloping boxers or athlets in other sports. Having secuess early on encourges both the boxer to keep going and for the coach/trainer to give more chalanges. In doing so the skill leavle gets better. Where as some who might not pick things up as quickly may not stick with it as long and the coach/trainer would be less likely to give the same chalanges as he would to the more gifted student thous slowing down the devlopment of that boxer.
     
  2. Jetmax

    Jetmax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. Both is a learned skill.
     
  3. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hand speed 'n power, J?
     
  4. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You absolutely can increase your punching speed and power.

    But don't expect to be seeing tangible increases in your 10th year of boxing, unless you've been training ineffectively and have suddenly made some great changes. You put someone in the gym for 12 months with hardly any experience and they are going to have substantially faster hands, and hit significantly harder at the end of it.

    Handspeed also has a little overlap with timing, as we don't literally measure handspeed, so it can be deceptive, and timing can always be improved.
     
  5. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can you cite an examples, k?
     
  6. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not really at the top level, which is more or less my point. Once you have trained for a decade and you have already developed your punching technique, you aren't likely to be making any significant changes to it, and any speed or power related improvements are going to be barely noticeable to the human eye. Even guys who make big stylistic changes rarely change the fundamentals of their actual punch delivery.

    At the grass roots level i've seen plenty of people increase their hand speed as punching came to them more fluidly, through repetition and technical improvements. I know i got noticeably sharper when i started training 6 days a week, and technical improvements resulted in a harder punch.

    I think the idea that you can't improve hand speed or punching power is flawed because it implies that technique has no bearing on either, which is obviously not the case.
     
  7. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For me, you'd be the exception to the rule, k. As I said earlier, in all my years around the best fighters in the world -- amateur 'n pro -- never seen one improve hand speed or punching power. Technique, combinations, ring smarts and fluidity yes. But the big three -- hand speed, power and beard -not one iota...'n God knows, they worked 'round the clock to get 'em.
     
  8. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    This is a big reason why punching power is natural. Psychologically you have to be prepared to commit everything. Some guys just can't do it. If you have a safety first mentality you are always thinking/looking for an out in every combination. A puncher doesn't think this way. A puncher only thinks about every exchange possibly ending a fight.

    Fast hands, good rotation and accuracy can't do much if you aren't willing to step in behind it. Not at the top level anyways. Again though, it's a double edged sword and takes a psychological edge.
     
  9. Jetmax

    Jetmax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. You take what your parents gave you and then develop it.
    I'm not discounting genetics. I believe on proper techniques. I just won't accept I'm slow I'll work my ass on it. I won't accept my mediocre punch I'll work on it. And if don't turn out to be great at both I will at least be competitive if I worked hard on it and let my other attributes compensate for it.
     
  10. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hope you can maximize that effort 'n be the best boxer you can be, J
     
  11. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    that fighters need to be from a tough background to be tough in the ring
     
  14. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    well, if you have sex with you on top may strain your shoulders and your muscles get tired but if you have sex with you underneath, its a different story:D coz all you have to do is lie down and watch those titties bounce:D
     
  15. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only top pro, n, that comes to mind from an upper middle class family is Marco Antonio Barrera. Gettin' hit the face is too tough a racket if you have money. Probably some tough SOB's in the amateurs, though.