What Brought on the fall of Mike Tyson the Most.

Tyson was/is crazy as hell.
It's no more complicated than that.

 

Cus D'Amato died about 8 months after Mike Tyson made his debut as a professional fighter, so it is doubtful D'Amato's death was a major factor leading to Tyson's career spiraling out of control. I think it is more likely that Jimmy Jacobs' death and Tyson splitting with Kevin Rooney and Bill Cayton were much larger factors than D'Amato's death.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Drug addiction and a reckless life style

 

I've said in other threads that I think Mike Tyson is the Elvis Presley of boxing. Both were amazing energetic all-time greats the first three years or so of their respective careers. Then external factors affected their lives and complacency set in. Later on both had their moments - they were both really good (or not, sometimes) - but they never reached the heights of their early years.

 

Wrong.

Rough, ****, violent, poverty stricken, drug riddled, crime addled, environments are populated by billions of people world wide, the vast majority of those environments do not churn out millions of Tyson's.

Of course you can get help with your " mental make up " if you have the common sense, or decency to accept that mugging old ladies, and se*ually assaulting young girls is NOT normal behavior, even by the same people that live in the same slum / ghetto that you do.

Everyone faces choices everyday of their lives. Real men NEVER try to blame anyone, or anything else every time they make a wrong choice.

Assholes, on the other hand, always do.

 

most of what you're saying I agree with but you're making a different point then the point you were contradicting.

I don't think you realize it :think

 

Not at all.

I think you should read my original post in which I said Tyson was no different to any other person on this planet, in so much that his down fall was solely down to himself.

T Booze replied saying it was " harsh " and offering up what I would only describe as excuses such as Tyson's environment, and mental make up.

The amount of people who simply don't know right from wrong is a minuscule percentage of the world's population, and Tyson is not one of them.

So if anyone is confused it might well be you.

 

so you only admit it "might" be me and therefore agree it 'might' be you :good

that wasn't so hard was it :bbb

 

Lack of Competative fights brought about his boxing dowdownfall. He had so much talent but his route to the title was much too easy. Some opponents were much too inactive or reluctant to perform. Douglas was simply a very good challenger that night with all the answers. There was no real shame in that loss. It was an upset but the natural order of things. And he came back from it.

Had buster replicated that form it would not seem so confusing but that guy clearly had more problems than people want to believe Tyson had.

Tyson was always very professional about his career. Compared to all the other champions of the 1980s he was anyway. For such a young man he actually coped very well to keep it together as long as he did.

As for outside the ring I agree with foxy01. Looking to excuse things is like saying you will do it again. It wasn't your fault etc. some people need to believe it wasn't their fault so they can do it again.

 

It seems you have comprehension difficulties. I wrote it might WELL be you.


In other words, it is you that is confused.:good

 

Absolutely.

A great example of that was the whole Atlas pulling the gun on Tyson for groping a young female relative of his. If Tyson hadn't been allowed to get away with portraying himself as the victim, he just might not have gone on to greater assaults against women. Who knows? As you say, it was a need to believe it wasn't his fault, and as I believe he made the choice to keep on doing those kind of things.

 

But this 'classic' example, sums up the problem. Tyson's behaviour was wrong in this instance, but so was Atlas'.

 

"it is you" and "it might be you" are two different statements

you just tried to claim them as the same and then blamed me for not comprehending, that's not cool Foxy :bbb

just kidding about that point, my real point is that Tyson had a messed up childhood and its a proven fact that having a messed up childhood is far more likely to create messed up morals and emotions as a adult. That other poster was simply making this point and you were saying it had nothing to do with his bad choices but it does have to do with his bad choices later in life. That was his point and my point, that doesn't make Tyson not responsible for this, they are two different points.

Don't deny the dude had a bad upbringing just because he had some serious moral problems later in his life, its all real and relative. Its still Tysons responsibility in the end.

no big deal, just making a point :good

 

I think it was a combination of things a gradual process.
Cus who put him on the straight and narrow dying was probably the start of the process, but then Jimmy Jacob's dying and parting with Cayton and Rooney plus a disastrous marriage and the focus and hunger that he had was simply lost.
Add to that the predator Don King getting his talons into him added to Tyson's weak mental state then his deterioration as a fighter was hardly surprising.

 

Again, you are mistaken. Atlas could only have been wrong if he pulled the trigger. He didn't.