What Brought on the fall of Mike Tyson the Most.

You now have me confused, so well done.

There is a clear distinction between " it might be you " and " it might WELL be you " ( which is what I wrote ) Whether or not you are able to comprehend that distinction is not my problem.

But good luck anyway.:good

Now,

I'll try again, there are millions, upon millions of people in this world that have had " messed up childhoods " a minuscule percentage of those people have f&$&ed up wholesale in the way Tyson did.

There is ONLY 1 reason for this.

TYSON, eff all to do with people dying, divorces, doing business with sharks, girls making outrageous claims against him, NONE of it. It was all down to HIM, and the fukked up choices he made in life.

 

Threatening people with guns, is not going to develop the 'norm'. Although quite a few may indeed disagree, society is becoming so warped.

 

yes I agree with your last paragraph. That's why I already typed essentially the same thing in my last two posts on this subject trying to get that point across to you.

The point I was making was that messed up childhoods do indeed play a part in fukked up choices later in life. That does not excuse Tyson for his choices, it was simply part of the reason he had so many demons to begin with. However, you seem to take offense to the reality that messed up childhoods play a part in fukked up choices later in life whereas I think they are related.

Can you comprehend that?

 

P ussy and cocaine.

 

that's as true a answer as all the others :good

 

Yes, Tyson's childhood was pretty f-ed up. No father. A mother that milked the gov't welfare/handout system to raise him. Crime invested Bed Stuy neighborhood. Basically, the microcosm of the 1970's U.S. Ghetto. Our prisons are filled with people from a similar background. Cus and a rare athletic talent got him out of there and helped him accomplish some great things in boxing, but the psycho/social damage had been done and helped bring him down.

 

I think one reason Foxy has no sympathy for Tyson is that he said in past threads he (Foxy) came from poor circumstances and had done fairly well for himself, so I guess he feels like people from poor backgrounds have no excuses for bad choices. That said, I would be surprised if his background was anywhere near as f_ed up as Tyson's.

 

I honestly don't think there is any great mystery to it.
He went from nothing to one of the biggest celebrities in the world almost overnight.
He wasn't just a popular boxer, he was a genuine A-list celebrity. And with that, extremely young with nobody around to ground him.

But also, he was a thug (let's be honest here) and prone to the low life.

 

He still is a thug and low life...he is more intelligent and self educated then given credit for but deep inside he is/was always rotten, he just knows how to camo it now.

His inner turmoil and craving for acceptance made him the special fighter he was but once the mission was accomplished when on top he went been there done that and went straight back to his "street" life. You can take someone out of the ghetto but you cant take the ghetto out of someone if they dont want to.

 

This is where we completely disagree. Unfortunately in the last generation or so we ( particularly in the west ) have developed a " blame " culture. If someone is compos mentis, and Tyson is, they have full control over the choices they make in their " adult lives " , therefore by extension when those choices turn out to be the wrong ones it can be no one else's fault other than the person who made them.

For the record there are millions, upon millions of people who are deemed to have succeeded in all walks of life, from sport, entertainment, the arts, and indeed business, who had " fukked up childhoods." So I believe your point is moot, though I would concede there could be a " possibility " of a screwed up childhood being directly linked to failure and misery in later life. But I would need to see a hell of a lot of statistical evidence, before I would accept that theory.

I might well be classed as cynical, but I'm afraid I don't just sit back and buy into the latest garbage excuse that all child abusers were themselves abused as kids and are therefore more likely to do the same thing to kids when they become adults. This is a perfect example of the " blame " society that has seemed to have sprung up in the last 25 - 30 years. This may well be an extreme example, but it is a pertinent one.

 

Groping 11 year old girls genitals when you are 17 is not going to develop the norm, is it?

 

It has nothing to do with my personal story. However the part of East London I was born into just after the war, did have plenty, indeed more than it's fair share of people whose lives were equally as bad, or worse than anything Tyson ever suffered as a kid. Though thankfully I was NOT one of them. My childhood could well have been classed as shi*ty but it was luxury to some poor sops in the East End in the 50's.

 

No it is not. But what is your point?

 

If you don't already get my point, it is not worth the effort of trying to explain it to you.:hi:

 

Addiction. He suffered emotional, physical and ***ual abuse. It would have been miraculous given his history and family of origin if he didn't get caught in addiction's web.