What can AJ learn from Wilder?

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah, keep on believing that, it's the same tact I took with Badou Jack, who actually got KTFO, 5 years later, after sharing the ring with countless KO artists, he hasn't been KO'd since. Sometimes we're just wrong. When Wilder retires never being KO'd I have a feeling you'll still be clinging to this notion for all it's worth.:sisi1
     
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  2. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well I thought AJ was packing loads of glass apparently so why are we worried about him being rocked? Facts are , Wilder’s chin hasn’t been tested because he’s fought nobody.
     
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  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Enormous holes in his fundamental game?

    Try again.

    How about a lack of fundamental game?

    Can't poke holes in thin air bro... I tried that when I was 5 years old.
     
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  4. Caper

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    Ugggh I find myself sympathizing with yet another one of your posts. The age old human plague of intolerance and fear of what you can’t mentally grasp has reared it’s ugly head again with the topic of Wilder.

    Interestingly enough the Wilder comments over the past couple of weeks have only reinforced certain thoughts for me. There’s a fine line carved in the cement separating those driven by preexisting beliefs and those willing to adjust and add to their overall apperception of the boxing athlete.
     
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  5. CST80

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    Lucky for AJ, he only got barely clipped a few times, Povetkin was playing it too safe because he didn't want to walk into something big, but even the few grazing shots wobbled him. Hell he wasn't loading up on him like he and Ortiz were doing with Hammer.

    Facts are, you don't like facts. Fury did KO Hammer and stopped Chisora, and by your logic, shouldn't he have laid waste to Wilder, after all, he was landing on him a hell of a lot more flush than he did Christian.
     
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  6. UKboxingfan

    UKboxingfan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m not using your logic at all mate this is yours. You started off by saying “Ortiz stopped Allen and Jennings which Wlad and Whyte didn’t”. You can use any match up to try and prove a certain point. From my point of view, Wilder hasn’t proven his chin fully because he hasn’t fought the level of opponent yet. When/if he does I will come back and say well done you were right and I was wrong.
     
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  7. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    While I appreciate what I think is an idiom coming from you, I’m not sure how accurate you’re being here. If you’ve ever seen Wilder throw a text book jab or right hand then he has a version of fundamental base. Remember it doesn’t need to adhere to your personal liking. I don’t recall ever seeing a text book deemed as a required doc for all fighters to follow or they lose their license to compete.
     
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  8. CST80

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    I'm not the one that started bringing out the Hammer example now was I? Sure, I used Liakhovich as an example, but Ruiz has historically not been a massive KO artist. He's heavy handed enough, but not a monster one punch guy. Ortiz on the other hand, evidence does point a little more in that direction than it doesn't. But you tried your best to undermine that and it blew up in your face. Fury and Ortiz are both heavy handed, as is Stiverne, Breazeale, Molina and Arreola. WIlder took their best shots and never went down. Sure AJ has fought the bigger punchers, but his defense is also a hell of a lot better than Wilder's, and thank whoever he prays to for that.:lol:
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Is Wilder's chin iron?
     
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  10. CST80

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    He's proven that he can take a punch, and it's better than AJ's and Fury's, and that's all that matters.
     
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  11. UKboxingfan

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    Why is Ortiz more of a monster one punch guy? Jennings and Allen were still standing when the fights were stopped. Jennings was stunned and Ortiz had a free shot on him , still didn’t put him down and the ref waved it off. Doesn’t scream unbelievable power to me but it sure suits your narrative...
     
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  12. jm2729v

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    Honestly? Joshua could use some of that unwavering extreme confidence that Wilder has of his abilities.
     
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  13. CST80

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    The only narrative being suited with this stupidity is yours. Wilder can take a punch, and AJ cannot. It is what it is, if you're in denial about that, oh well, there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. At worst Fury and Ortiz are in the ballpark of guys like Povetkin and Whyte in terms of power, neither of them are one punch guys either, regardless of what people have convince themselves of.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    He's had 43 professional fights, he's the WBC heavyweight champion, he has 10 successful title defenses, he's undefeated and he's been down once (which occured almost 10 years ago).

    Fury's been down four times, Ortiz has been down four times, Joshua has been down five times, Povetkin has been down, what, a half-dozen times? Parker, Whyte, Ruiz, Chisora, Pulev ... all have been down.

    In today's heavyweight environment, iron is a probably correct description.

    How many heavyweights today have gone almost 10 years since they were dropped?
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    All of these have fought harder punchers than Wilder.
    And none of these have been hurt by someone as **** as Molina.

    And none have been dropped by Harold Sconiers...
     
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