What Can Canelo Do To Become A Top 20 ATG?

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My reading comprehension is just fine captain. You said he could stop draining opponents down to catchweights or applying rehydration clauses. The fact is that he hasn't been doing that, so why would he need to stop doing something that he isn't doing?
    I'm not acting like anything. You're accusing him of draining opponents down to a catchweight which really hasn't happened aside from the Chavez Jr. fight which he was moving up 10.5 lbs to meet him at 164.5 lbs. Aside from that, the other catchweights he's had were either non-title fights or were due to his opponent demanding them. In none of those cases were his opponents drained by the catchweights, the catchweights vs Mayweather, Cotto, Khan, etc gave his opponents an advantage by draining him not the other way around, so you saying that draining people with catchweights is something he's done or that he needs to stop doing that is just not accurate. That really shows your bias to act like that's what he's been doing when that's not been the case. As far as rehydration clauses that's not something he's done recently so he wouldn't need to stop doing that either. And I think it's pretty clear by now that it was his former promoter DLH who insisted on those which occurred when he was moving up a weight class. Rehydration clauses though don't cause a fighter to be drained like a catchweight does so it's misleading to make that argument in the first place.
     
  2. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    Explain to me why the WBC have moved their Cruiserweight division limit to 190lbs right at the same time when Canelo announced his intentions to fight at Cruiserweight, when the other sanctioning bodies still have their Cruiserweight limits set at 200lbs. Also, Canelo has thrown his hat in the ring to fight Makabu for the WBC belt at their new weight limit of 190lbs, which is a weight Makabu hasn't made since 2013. So if Makabu -- a fully fledged 200lb Cruiserweight -- takes the fight at 190lb in accordance with the whims of the pro-Canelo WBC, he's effectively consenting to being weight drained. None of this is hardly coincidence.

    To me this seems sketchy at the very best, and completely farcical at the very worst.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The WBC announced over a year ago that they were moving the Cruiserweight limit back to 190 lbs when they announced the new weight division Bridgerweight. So that was "why" that happened. Makabu isn't a full fledged 200-lb Cruiserweight he's clearly a small Cruiserweight who's been fighting well under the 200 lb limit for some time.

    As far as none of the other sanctioning bodies following suit, when the Cruiserweight limit was increased to 200 lbs back in the 2000s all of the sanctioning bodies didn't change the limit at the same time either. The Cruiserweight limit was originally 190 lbs so returning the limit to that consistent with the origins of Cruiserweight when legends like Qawi and Holyfield were fighting there. Over the years many fighters have been outspoken about wanting to see Cruiserweight return back to the traditional 190 lb limit like Tony Bellew for example and many posters have said that prefer it be at the traditional 190 lbs. I understand that it looks sketchy with this seeming to coincide with Canelo moving up but it's been in the works for over a year, so it's not like this was just announced now.

    It may take some time before the other sanctioning bodies follow suit. I think it would be wrong to force a current 200-lb CW Champ to make 190-lb but Makabu has made it clear that he can make 190 lbs, he said that a full year ago when it was first announced and he doesn't seem to have any problem with making the new limit. I don't think many people were aware that the WBC was changing the limit back to 190 lbs and if this was the first time you heard about it I can see why you would call it sketchy and some kind of Canelo ploy to drain Makabu. But I think there's something to be said for bringing Cruiserweight back in line with its roots and the legendary Cruiserweights who fought at 190 lbs. When you look at what's happened to Cruiserweight since the days of Qawi and Holyfield who fought at at 190 lbs, since the change to 200 lbs, Cruiserweights have become bigger, slower and it really hasn't been the same weight class that it once was.
     
  4. The Townsend

    The Townsend Zeus. Full Member

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    Clean up 175. Take a title at Cruiser, beat GGG convincingly. Then he's there. Not many will admit It but all will secretly agree.

    However, his two losses to GGG have really affected people's opinions no matter how well he's done since.
     
  5. ad4m88

    ad4m88 Active Member Full Member

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    How impressive is getting belts off rocky fielding, Callum Smith, BJS and plant have any of them beat top contenders
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    WTF? Floyd wasn`t that good and Canelo has improved.
     
  7. Francesco

    Francesco New Member Full Member

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    canelo will never become an ATG if he continues fighting boxers with no chances. now he is a businessman, he invested in oil and other things and doesn't want to risk his health. he passed 30 and his stamina is very questionable. he is a good boxer but realistically he must leave the palm of glory to warriors that want to let the ring dirty