What can Ortiz do to beat Floyd

No, you said 'best suited'.

 

You're breaking my balls here....

 

:rofl:rofl I dont look at what im writing just put down what im thinking and send it. Maybe i should read it back first :yep

 

Ortiz has good balance? I must have been watching someone different fall over himself as he rushed in on Berto then. Ortiz will finish Mayweather? The same guy who wouldn’t finish Peterson will finish one of the two best fighters in the sport right now? And he puts punches together well? From what I’ve seen his form deteriorates with every shot that goes. That was how Maidana was able to batter him – he’d throw sloppy shots, get off balance and walk on to punches.

Floyd can punch. He’s not a banger or anything, but he hurts his opponents. He’s stung every single one since his boring UD over Baldomir. He’s buckled Oscar’s legs, he stopped Hatton, he could have had Marquez out of there whenever he wanted, and he had Mosley backing off. He used body-punching to break Zab Judah apart. Because he’s not aggressive, it’s easy to think he’s passive. He’s a judicious fighter who offers his opponent few opportunities.

Anyway, on your points, getting inside Mayweather isn’t the issue: it’s actually doing anything once you’re there. Castillo had success because Floyd was injured and off his game. Look what happened in the rematch for evidence of that.

Hatton got inside and got out-mugged. That’s a bad example. Hatton maybe won two rounds at best. I didn’t give him more than one, IIRC. Oscar did use the jab well but not consistently. If he’d kept that jab in Floyd’s face/chest from the start he could’ve made that fight a lot closer.

Normally your analysis is spot on, but I think you’ve put some weird crazy glasses on today

 

Spot on with that imo, Especially about fighting him on the inside. I think some people tend to underestimate Floyd's ability to fight on the inside due to him generally not fighting in that particular way. He's a tough, tough nut to crack when it comes to inside fighting. Got a lot of tricks up his sleeve too

 

Have to say I'm in agreement with Mr.Taylor here, even if you disregard the fact that he couldn't finish off Peterson due to weight issues, he still he failed to put away Berto, who he was hurting time and time again. He was landing consistently, and when he landed it was evident he was doing damage, which would only lead to him getting sloppy and smothering his own work.

Which is why his balance is kind of both good and bad, because, I think it's alright when he's standing back a bit, pawing with his lead and trying to find some kind of openings, he's steady at least, but as soon as he makes a sustained attempt at coming forward it goes to ****, because he basically shuffles his way in, and if he manages to get in their he then squares up.

I doubt he'll be able to put up with many of the kind of nuances Floyd implements to gain further advantage, seeing as he hasn't been able to deal with much more basic tactics employed by previous opponents who've give him real difficulty.

Looking at the Mosley fight and some of the things he does in there, the high-elbowed guard that he then pushes into the adversary's face and throat, it narrows the angles to quite a substantial degree, and Ortiz has never been great at dealing with basic slipping like what he had to face with Peterson, much less having almost nothing to throw at.

Even if Victor manages to evade the odd shot here and there by getting under it, Mayweather's still just going to pull his head down and not allow him to take advantage, and the way Mayweather was able to frequently land the right hand as Shane was getting back into an upright position, you'd have to envisage that he'd be able to do it against an Ortiz who will in all likelihood be filled with that raw aggression and enthusiasm that'll leave him more open to it.

That discreet body-punching too, I don't even think Ortiz will benefit that much from being on the inside, Mayweather often grinds his head against the other guy's head and digs in shots to the body on the referee's blindside(and they are energy-sapping shots, they aren't necessarily thrown to score points), the fact that he regularly squares up while he's in there will only be to his detriment even more.

I just don't really see how Ortiz wins, as much as I like the guy, because aside from landing some kind of hail mary I can't imagine him having any success on the inside either.

 

Fight his dad and make a wish.

 

Windmill.

 

Hmm this is a tricky one, the best thing really would be to punch him so hard he cant get up.

 

Indeed, more commonly known as Khan-itis.

Yep, did it well against Hatton as well. Floyd knows how to stunt his opponents workrate at all ranges, and Ortiz is gonna' fall to bits.

 

Ortiz has size, speed, strength and power. He lacks the tools and the IQ. Its possible with the right training, strategy etc that he could pull it off. Floyd doesn't beat these guys on talent. He is just MUCH better than them at his occupation.