What caused Schmeling to get beaten by Louis so thoroughly in the rematch?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    you got it one. The old saying:

    “A match well made is a match half won.”

    Could have been penned for this rematch.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Plausible.
     
  3. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Returning to Joe’s autobiography … and again consider the source, but he stuck his hand up and copped to it … he said in the first fight he didn’t take Schmeling seriously so he really didn’t bust his derrière in training, spent a lot of time on the golf course; plus he was sneaking out of camp to go see Marva at a rendezvous spot, while also indulging in other assorted pieces of tail. He was 23 years old and probably a little full of himself, and he paid for it. Because Max Schmeling while not a Mount Rushmore ATG was a pretty fair prize fighter who all things being equal could give anyone problems on a given day.
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    All of that is true but to give credit where it's due Schmeling did see a flaw that a combination of Joe's youth, overconfidence and Max''s own physical skills and steel nerve allowed him to exploit ... it is also noted at the weigh in for the first fight that Louis openly noted to Blackburn that Schmeling was very confident ..
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Louis dogged it in training first fight, probably for the only time ever.
    Louis still had a couple of technical flaws which Max exploited brilliantly.
    Max fought a sensational fight.

    By the time of the second Louis was a perfectly honed fighting machine.
    By comparison Schmeling had lost a little due to age.
    Schmeling could well have been affected by the political drama's of the time.
     
  6. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    I guess Louis just jumped on him
     
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  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    As clever as Max’s strategy was in the first fight he still took a lot of punishment himself - Max’s performance was also anchored in tremendous courage and desire to win - sort of similar to that of Ali in Zaire.

    In complement, Louis was likely too complacent and undertrained - a not uncommon pitfall for punchers like himself - they hit a point when it becomes all too easy to knock their opponents over.

    Two years later, an already past prime Max was that much older again. Louis also learnt by his mistakes (or more accurately, Blackburn did and remapped Joe accordingly).

    As to the injuries suffered, not every fighter will received numerous shots to the area in question - not Joe’s fault as Max, while hanging on the ropes, was turning away from him.

    Point being, not so unusual for punches to that area doing the damage reported - particularly when they’re being landed by a puncher such as Joe Louis.

    I always reserve Louis that bit more in fantasy matches. He was mainly economical to a fault - but he really splurged in some matches such as those vs Baer and Schmeling II.

    Against other elite ATGs, I feel this is the true version of Louis that we would see - extending and maxing the budget for all he was/is worth.
     
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  8. wutang

    wutang Active Member Full Member

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    Not to detract from Louis' win, but your third point is an excellent one.
     
  9. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Louis jump on him early, did not give Schmeling room and got him out of there. Louis in the first fight gave Schmeling a lot of room to do his counter punching work.
     
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  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    A right hand shorter then Barbados Joe Walcott.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Louis was simply not going to lose. He said he felt like he wasn't really the champion until he avenged his defeat. Schmeling could have hit Louis with a 2x4 that day and Louis would simply get angrier. He knew shouldn't have lost in the first place and fell prey to a game plan exposing his own weaknesses and that enraged him. The normally calm and collected Louis probably felt more pressure than he did when he won the title. Imagine being praised as one of the best technicians ever and then losing to the same guy twice, you'd never get over it.
     
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  12. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah wasn't one of Max's eyes basically closed?
     
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  13. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    lack of movement, agility, too stiff, possibly frightened before the match
     
  14. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hadn’t watched this in ages:
    1) Loved the way Joe straightened him with the left!,
    2) The kidney/back punches were devastating(and illegal)
    3)Max was unreal brave.
     
  15. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Joe wanted, no, needed to win this fight with max, more than any other fight.
    He went out, knowing max was ageing and he wasn't taking chances.
    Anyone fighting Joe that night was gonna get hammered.
     
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