What chance does Sultan really have??Tell me about him.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ChampionsForever, Feb 22, 2008.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'm straight to the point because half of the reason I watch so much boxing at this point in my life is to generate income off of betting, sad, but true.

    The other half is actually enjoying truly elite, magnificent fighters that paint works of art in the ring through sporting combat. I have no use for overrated hype jobs, thus why I always seek to take them down.

    Sultan's feet and hands are quick, but people make the mistake of thinking that Wlad's feet aren't quick as hell either, just because he's so big.

    Wlad is extremely quick for a big man, easily as fast or faster than Sultan.
     
  2. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sultan is fast and can be effectively illusive.. he fights in flurries and has very respectful power.. BUT .. he can be caught square on and has been dropped several times.. The plus side to that is that he has character and always gets up and wins.. He knows his flaws and works well around them, he is very hard to beat.. Very mentally strong..!!!

    God Bless..
     
  3. BoxingGuru

    BoxingGuru Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One, and he can't punch, so ZERO.​
     
  4. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I would give Sultan a fair 3% chance.
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He's half an inch shorter and a 4 pounds heavier than a peak Ali. How is that undersized?
     
  6. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Is he fighting Ali?
     
  7. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Any Heavyweight with decent power has at least a 10% chance of beating the glass chinned Wlad. I feel Iggy has a solid 20% chance of beating Wlad, he has the footwork and defensive skills to give Wlad trouble, he also has good hand speed, which will help to land effective counter punches through the medicore defense of Wlads, if Peter could do it, you could be rest assured Iggy will be able to as well. I just want to see Wlads weak chin tested, the last time it was, was against Peter, he survived, but he was hurt often and floored 3 times, I hope Iggy could bring that same type of pressure come tomorrow.
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Who said Ali is a good size against modern super heavy's who are also skilled and athletic?

    And I'll follow up with Huki -

    Is Wlad fighting someone as athletically gifted as Ali, or is he fighting Sultan Ibragimov, a guy who had to fight tenatively to beat an ancient Evander and still got rocked by right hands?

    If Sultan was actually a really fit guy, he'd be down at 200, which he could make and be very potent at.
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    What is it with you guys an European hatred?

    Let's hype up jokes like Paul Williams who will never accomplish anything, but seek to derail elite fighters who do have some glaring flaws yes, but are accomplishing a lot. Also underrate them, Sultan literally has no chance.

    He'll be iced off in 3 or less, I garauntee it.
     
  10. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad is a great boxer, but as you said has a glaring weakness, that can be denied. I refuse to jump on Wlads nuts everytime he fights, what I say might be on the extreme side of things, but to say another fighter, let alone another champion has zero or 3% of winning is absurd. My 2nd favorite fighter in the division is Chagaev, so I dont hate all Eurpean fighters, I just feel Wlad is being way to overrated on ESB, especially since the ring magazine has him nowhere near the top 10 P4P.
     
  11. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I'm not a Klitschko fan at all and I was being too nice to Ibragimov saying 3%. This is Sultan Ibragimov we're talking about. He's weak chinned and his reflexes aren't good. He can't outbox Wlad in any way and he handles pressure ten times worse than Wlad does. All it'll take is one right hand from Klitschko and timing it will be effortless for him, even if Ibragimov fights in his new safety-first-old-man-beating boxer style.
     
  12. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm a fan of neither fighter, Wlad has a proven worse chin and Stamina, he also has proven in the past that he cant handle a pressure fighter well. I dont know all the stats on Iggy, I only seen him in 3 matches, and was'nt really impressed all that much with him, but I have watched Wlad fight for the past 6 or 7 years now and do know the stats on him, the man probably has one of the weakest chins I ever seen for a so-called dominant champion, the fact that he was extremely rocked by a Brewster jab in the 3rd round, is proof enough of how weak his chin truly is. Other examples are him getting dropped by a lazy Williamson jab, and Peter hurting and dropping him with partially blocked overhand rights.

    I think Wlad is a good fighter, I just feel that Wlad can be exposed again, and theres a decent chance that Iggy's the man to do it, the fact that he's a lefty with good hand and foot speed helps a ton. Sultan also has underrated power he may bring tomorrow night, I just hope the fights competitive.
     
  13. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sultan was significantly shorter than the 6'2" holyfield. He's about 6'. Ali was 6'3".

    Btw, Chris Pontius stated repeatadly on another thread that Liston and Chris Byrd were the same size. He could not comprehend the difference betwen a blown up middleweight and a genuine heaveyweight (because their height & weight was roughly the same.) Bascially, the guy doesn't know what the f'k he's talking about :good
     
  14. huki

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    Wlad has improved and his chin has not been proven to be worse than Sultan's. His defense is great and he is a huge, precise puncher who could control this fight with his jab alone. Wlad can be exposed again, by a fighter with a great chin, great workrate/stamina, solid skills, and the ability to apply pressure to him consistently to break him down. That fighter is not Ibragimov.. you'll see what will happen tomorrow.

    Sultan's power is another myth. He has above-average power at best and he is too much of a scared fighter at the top level. He only shows good killer instinct against C levels.
     
  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You gave good points, but I will disagree with one thing you said, Wlad has been TKO'd 3 times by two journeymen and a club fighter, been floored 11 times, by 6 different oppenents. As I said before, I dont know all the stats on Iggy, but I could guarantee you Iggy has a more proven chin, I know for one he's never been TKO'd/KO like Wlads been.