What Chin Failures Were Ominously Clear Before The Fact?

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    You hear a lot of it after the fact, but what fighters had huge warning signs before they were beaten? (usually in upsets)

    Not looking for all the regurgitated, easy choices that follow.

    What I find most interesting is that when the knockout upset comes, it isn't always against big punchers.

    Khan was stopped by Garcia yet took shots absolutely no one thought he could versus Maidana.

    James Kirkland passed the Angulo test but was stopped in one of the most shocking feather fisted stoppages ever against Ishida.

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    Kirkland being rocked bad against a nobody during his comeback. Subtle, but noticed by plenty of fight fans.

    David Price's durability issues as an amateur that followed him into the pro game.

    Khan had amateur stoppage losses where he seemed to be short circuited.

    Seth Mitchell being stiffened up by a Ibragimov jab was a very subtle warning sign... The Witherspoon sign was a massive red flag in almost every way.

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    Now an interesting case is Abner Mares. He was shook to one degree or another in almost all of his fights leading up to the Gonzalez blow out... Ponce, Agbeko and Darchinyan all rocked him. Mares had good recovery however. This is the kind of example I'm looking for because you didn't see people giving Gonzalez a substantial chance because of his power, even though there were warning signs there.

    Keep the cookie cutter **** out of here, ****s. I'm interested in examples similar to the Mares situation.
     
  2. BlackBrenny

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    Khan had a post Olympic scare with Craig Watson:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBRAmjDXWU

    Then there was this article from ESB:
    Amir Khan: Does He Have A Weak Chin?

    29.11.06 - By Colin Shields: I raise this question based on a trend I have noticed about Amir Khan’s opposition. We all expect a young, inexperienced fighter to be fed the traditional fare of tomato-cans on his way up the rankings but, in Khan’s case, the opposition appears to be even more selectively chosen. Khan’s professional opposition to date: ​

    David Bailey 3-4-0 0 Ko’s 0% Ko​

    Baz Carey 9-13-3 3 Ko’s 33% Ko​

    Steve Gethin 9-18-2 5 Ko’s 56% Ko​

    Daniel Thorpe 19-44-2 7 Ko’s 37% Ko​

    Vitali Martynov 9-1-0 6 Ko’s 67% Ko​

    Jackson Williams 12-3-0 0 Ko’s 0% Ko​

    Laszlo Komjathi 24-10-1 11 Ko’s 46% Ko​

    Colin Bain 9-1-1 0 Ko’s 0% Ko​

    Ryan Barrett 12-2-1 3 Ko’s 25% ko ​

    And on December 9th he will face: ​

    Rachid Drilzane 10-3-0 0 Ko’s 0% Ko ​

    This looks to be a very weak standard of opposition, in both senses of the word. The fighter with the highest Ko percentage, Vitali Martynov, was knocked down twice and TKO’d in the second round in the fight preceding the Khan bout, and that was by a feather-fisted Willy Blain (9-0, 1Ko going in). ​

    This makes me think that Frank ****** had confidence that his boy would knock him out before he could unleash. This turned out to be the case, as Khan stopped Martynov in 1:15 of the first. ​

    The point that I am making is that ****** seems to be afraid to put Khan in with anyone who can hit. ​

    I can see why, Khan is the new darling of the British Boxing scene and such an event would be financially disastrous for ******. When Khan fights, he still has an amateurish approach- he doesn’t bring his hands back to cover his face when he throws in combination and when he has to back off, he does so with his
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    high in the air. ​

    I understand that Khan is young but after 10 fights I really hope ****** ups the ante somewhat. I mean, here is a kid that’s talking about fighting for a title in 2007. ​

    I hope ****** isn’t misleading Khan or getting his hopes up because, as he will find out, professional boxing is a long way away from 12oz gloves and headgear.​

    After that, the Limond fight came: ​




    Then got dropped and hurt by a basically shot, blown up Michael Gomez:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfjUSKGs2qw


    If that wasn't warning enough...then came the infamous Prescott debacle:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbrdO9Qg4Mg
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Khan was one of the clearest accidents waiting to happen in recent history.

    I don't dislike the guy as a fighter, he's good for the game... take on anyone mentality. Lot of good assets.

    Just chinny. Is what it is.

    Awesome reply by the way, thanks.
     
  4. BlackBrenny

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    You have to give him credit for his achievements considering the ominous signs beforehand, a lot of people thought the Prescott fight was the first sign, lol, if only

    Frank W though, talk about a miscalculation. Feeding him a line of soft hitting super feathers then sticking him in with Prescott..that was never gonna end well


    I predict Wilder will be the next one to be found out, and I don't think he has Khans skills to fall back on
     
  5. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good

    gotta respect him for chasing his dream - same goes with hatton

    its absolutely no coincidence that calzaghe, for example, gets pasted on international forums for staying with wa+ren and not getting the biggest fights available (even though he is better than both hatton and khan), while both hatton and khan left wa+en, crossed the pond, and made theirs happen

    khan cant do much about the chin, but he'll sleep well when his career is over
     
  6. Russell

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    Yeah, Wilder seems to be an accident waiting to happen.

    One thing despite his weak chin however... He's in there to hurt you. He throws absolutely murderous shots I think because he knows he can't take a great punch.

    Makes for a dangerous, kill or be killed fighter.

    Agreed.
     
  7. BlackBrenny

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    You gotta give it to him, his only real dull performance has probably been his best performance when he boxed rings around Kotelnik and took his belt
     
  8. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Michael Moorer was always someone whose chin was just waiting to fail him. Big George stopped him with one punch in a fight Moorer was winning by a landslide. Moorer's fight with Tua tells us all we need to know about what his chances would have been against Tyson or Bowe if he had tried for the Heavyweight crown sooner.
     
  9. Russell

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    Anyone a little iffy on Darren Barker's durability?

    Being shook up by Gaele like this is a little worrying... Especially dropped by a bodyshot by said fighter.
     
  10. Zakman

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    Fraudley. He was getting rocked by some of the low level journeymen he was fighting before Williams and Sprott exposed his glass jaw.

    But many people wouldn't believe it. Heck, there were only a couple of us who picked Sprott to starch him.
     
  11. True_Hero

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    Wilder

    Dropped in the amateurs, dropped by Dustin Nicholls, dropped by Harold Scorniers. He's a KO waiting to happen.
     
  12. TeddyL

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    Floyd. Everyone suspected he had chin problems but the Mosley fight showed us exactly what we were dealing with
     
  13. jaymon112

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    PEDquiao metal mandible was absolutely, positively shattered by ROIDquez in STUNNING FASHION!

    Another Glass Jaw Exposed by Team Elite. :yep
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    What low level guys stunned Audley? I'm drawing a blank on that one.
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Robert Wiggins was one:


    The best moments of the fight for Wiggins came in round three when he forced his way inside the long reach of Harrison and landed two perfectly timed, well placed right hooks to the chin of Harrison the second shot doing damage as Audley took a step back and visibly wobbled for a moment. ​

    http://www.secondsout.com/uk-boxing-news/uk-boxing-news/audley-stops-wiggins-in-4

    Harrison fought him in August of 2005, several months before Williams put him on the canvas, and a year and a half before Sprott knocked him cold.

    There were other journeymen before this who wobbled Fraudley too. Believe me, a good observer of punch resistance could tell what was coming.

    Yet you still had most of the usual clowns denying it and attacking those of us who called it right - before it happened. :patsch