What cotto needs to learn...

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  1. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    WRONG!!!!

    You do not fight a brawler by trying to clinch him. Trying to clinch instead of keeping distance between yourself and Margo is the wrong game plan. Stick and move, make margo reset before he punches. that is the key. margo has a bad habit in that he has to set himself up before he throws. If he's close enough to you then your plan of trying to clinch instead of getting away will get you a ton of upppercut, one of Margo's favorite punch.
     
  2. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WTF do you mean bullsh*t? Clinching is part of boxing. Even the best ever used it to catch a breather. Did Ali not use it? Did Hopkins not use it? It's part of the game. You need to use it when it calls for it.
     
  3. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    yes exactly...he thought he could hurt margarito with simply just outboxing him and putting on those combos and shots, margarito took a lot of shots to the head but it was ineffective, his corner should have change tactics when they notice that it wasn't working especially in the 7th round when cotto was hurt.
     
  4. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What you said works if cotto was that type of fighter. The type of fighter that is able to substain movement for tweleve rds and not sit on the ropes. especially when his defense is leaky. Cotto should have stick and move then when marg does get close and has him trapped on the ropes clinch. It stops marg's monmentum and cotto doesnt get hit and cotto saves energy. The problem is cotto isnt that type of fighter.
     
  5. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What you said works if cotto was that type of fighter. The type of fighter that is able to substain movement for tweleve rds and not sit on the ropes. especially when his defense is leaky. Cotto should have stick and move then when marg does get close and has him trapped on the ropes clinch. It stops marg's monmentum and cotto doesnt get hit and cotto saves energy. The problem is cotto isnt that type of fighter.
     
  6. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    and thats why cotto has great timing and great movement to become a good and effective clincher he could avoid that uppercut
     
  7. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Clinching will not work. Like I said before, if Margo has gotten that close to you you're playing into his game plan. He can prevent the clinch and work the body.

    Useing that logic thats all people had to do to beat Tyson. It doesn't work. Holyfield used his head (literaly) and outboxed tyson. Margo can be beat easly by just punching him right before he sets up. then move. Also look at the Gamboa fight. teh guy try the clinched tactic and got knocked the **** out.
     
  8. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    margo has only one gameplan and that was only moving forward and non stop punching while cotto was on the backwards and in defensive mode. Clinching would save more energy and would allow cotto to get out of the ropes, it still hurts him even though he block a lot of margo's punches.

    and thats just a bad comparison, everyone is a different fighter margarito is no gamboa.
     
  9. CJLightweight

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  10. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Clinching is not that simple. To much clinching and you can get point deduction, not enforced alot, but there is that chance. A boxer who isn't use to useing it can't effectively start useing it. You have to be stronger then the other guy and it is harder to tie up a taller guy.

    I still think Margo tonight would have fought it of and landed on the inside unless Cotto blatenly gave him a bear hug.
     
  11. chino2dapiapimp

    chino2dapiapimp WBC Fecarbox champ Full Member

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    Technically Clinching is illegal and in my opinion its something that is overused. Plus If he clinched he would be in the same boat with Hector Camacho .
     
  12. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    well thats why i pointed it out in my first post, clinch occasionaly to avoid DQ. Cotto clinched twice during the fight and it was effective as it stop the momentum there for a moment allowing him a few bit of time
     
  13. CJLightweight

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  14. SAS2

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    clinching with an opponent takes a a lot of energy. against someone as strong as margarito I don't think it would have helped much. being constantly separated and pushed back by the ref can be draining too.
     
  15. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    it would take up more energy avoiding and blocking punches than clinching..and it did help, he clinched twice during the entire fight watch again it was effective. Saves you from danger also