What could Leonard do better than Robinson?

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Both all time greats, Sugar Ray Robinson has the better legacy and ability of the two.

    So what in what area would you say is Leonard better than Robinson, or at least his equal? Defence?
     
  2. DaveTheWave

    DaveTheWave Man Extraordinaire Full Member

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    Being elusive. Robinson took alot more punches then Leonard. He matches handspeed. Chin is also close.
     
  3. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a tough question, and I can only suggest possible answers which may or may not be true.

    Ray Leonard may have been physically stronger, and perhaps a better infighter than Robby, but to suggest SRL was superior to Robinson in any respect might be pushing the envelope. The right uppercut which SRL used against Davey Boy Green is better than any uppercut I've seen Robby display in any footage I've seen of his, but that's a very limited amount of film out of his 201 matches. SRL also dropped Benitez with a fine uppercut in the 15th round of their match. With Robby, it seems that overhand rights and hooks are more prominent than uppercuts.

    It may be that Ray Leonard was more adept at circling right than Robinson was. Few orthodox boxers of any era circled counter-clockwise more than SRL and Larry Holmes. I'd need to view more of both boxers in action, and think about it a bit.
     
  4. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manipulating things to his advantage as far as fights, and other circumstances.
     
  5. hdog

    hdog Member Full Member

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    I'd go with Leonard's lateral movement as well.
     
  6. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leonard was more elusive, and maybe suprior in terms of his use of lateral movement. Also, SRL seemed to be more consistant than Robinson throughout the later rounds of his fights. I can't think of too many occasions where Leonard faded in the championship rounds (I guess the Hagler fight would be an exception), while Robinson did suffer some later round fades in a few of his bouts.
     
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  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: :rofl
     
  8. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Leonard had better footwork and defence. I think Robinson had the edge offensively.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Possibly none. I disagree strongly with chin - they were both around the same size but Robinson took many more shots at 160 because he fought there much more - certainly he's proved the better chin, let's say that.

    Speed? Perhaps in literal terms, but in functional terms? I'm reminded of the scene in Unforgiven where Gene Hackmen explains about speed v accuracy. I think SRR punched as fast as could ever be called sensible and if Leonard edges him in this department (i'm not convinced) it is at the expense of accuracy. SRR made the punches go where they needed to.

    Physical strength? Again, possible, but SRR is once more the guy who's proved it sharing clinches with naturally bigger men.

    Elusive is a good shout, but SRR spends a lot more time in the danger zone firing so perhaps that's a little disingenuos. Can anyone think of a fight where SRR's primary goal was to remain out of range as a rule? Maybe.
     
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  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's right, Rooster...I was joking.:D

    Leonard gets obliterated by your hero...Billy Backus.::good
     
  11. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    you brought up a good point. srr was more agressive then srl, so by mindset alone, srr was easier to find when comparing the two.
     
  12. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Killer instinct. When Leonard had a fighter hurt, he attacked with a vengence! When Robinson hurt a guy, he stept up the assault & the knockout would usually come. But Leonard really went after a stricken opponent.
     
  13. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    :good
     
  14. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know about that. Watch the second Turpin fight, or the 'St Valentine's Day Massacre' (Lamotta) or the Jean Stock fight when Robinson was a welterweight.
    Robinson was a vicious finisher.
     
  15. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Snorting cocaine, apparently
     
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