what country is most fair to forgian boxers?

GABBY? Is that YOU?!:blood

 

Yes, we are all as bad as each other in the way we treat 'foreign' fighters.

 

Reid - Ottke.

The worst all round performance by a long shot. From the referee to the judges, all conspired to royally screw Reid over.

Before you shout 'biased bull****' again, consider that the ref hasn't worked at that level since and then ask yourself why not?

 

Ireland is more than fair when it comes to judging .

The worst robbery I've ever seen(and probably everyone who's seen the fight and isn't Italian will agree with me) is Damaen Kelly against Simeone Maludrottu .

I believe Kelly won 8 round extremely clearly , 2 rounds Maludrottu edged for me and 2 rounds were 50/50 . It was a masterclass from Kelly and what were the scores ? 118-111 , 116-113 , 115-113 all for Maludrottu and this was in Kelly's hometown(Belfast) . Granted all the judges were from the continent though .

3 of Bernard Dunne's fights have been scored a lot closer than they really were . His fight with Voronin was scored 96-94 in his favour(by an Irish referee) when Dunne won much more clearly than that .

In his fight with Pickering 1 judge had the fight 115-113 for Dunne , which again was far too close . The other two judges(117-111) had things right .

In Dunne's last fight(against Reidar Walstad) one judge had the fight 115-113(the same judge that had that scored for the Pickering fight) and another 116-112 , imo Dunne won 11 of the 12 rounds although I could see how someone could give another 2 rounds to Walstad but no more than that . The last score was a more accurate 118-111 .

Irishman Jim Rock lost a controversial decision(76-75 Jones) to Alan Jones(a Welshman) in Belfast but then again it could have been a referee from anywhere in the UK reffing .

I can't think of any major decision going to an Irish fighter on home turf............ever .

 

We have maybe 1 or 2 televised robberies a year on German soil. With about 50 televised! cards a year, that isn't that much as you would think - we have clearly improved over the last 2 years...

 

A "country" is not fair with foreign boxers. Bad decisions have nothing to do with the country... It has to do with the influence of the promoters on sanctionning bodies. You can be robbed everywhere if a boxer is managed by a powerful promoter who has influence and needs to use it for his business.
You can be robbed in Germany simply because the german promoters are "better" (richer) than the other euro promoters. A guy like Beyer would have neven been champ for so long if he had been spanish, french or belgian ! The main robberies are not in the ring , you can be robbed of a career if you don't have the good promoter. I watched a guy like Jean Pascal obtaining a ranking in the top 10 of the WBC after a UD over Bunteng ?!? He is now 5th with a UD over Ikeke... What is this joke ? A guy like Mendy couldn't even obtain a single EBU chance, not even an EBU-EU chance after victories or draws against guys like Kanfouah or Hanshaw who are far better than Bunteng (Hanshaw destroyed Bunteng in 3 rounds...) and in the same league than Ikeke.
In France you could be robbed on the Acaries cards. Now that the Acaries influence on the EBU and WBA has gone you obtain easily fair decisions as a foreign boxer. Even against the cash cows (Gogiya vs Chanet, Parra vs Asloum, Narvaez vs Asloum)

 

Pfft. When the judges aren't bought out, the judging is fair, but the judges get bought out much more frequently than probably in any other country.

Australia and PR are a couple of good ones.

 

Philippines

 

Yeah! Remember the Gorres vs. Montiel fight? Gorres was robbed by the judges even in his own country.:yep

 

Although it was unfair for the thread starter to blast Germany, this has been a great thread to read with a lot of good posts. Kudos to you guys. IMO, as other posters have said it's the promoters who influence judges more than the hosting country or the nationalities of the fighters involved.

 

germany is the worst IMO.

 

with the US, I think it varies from state to state. Michigan is known to have some pretty bad robberies. Florida and Nevada come to mind as well for having bad decisions.

 

Canada isnt too bad, but its not perfect. I have rarely seen a foreign fighter get robbed here though. Most robberies I have heard about or seen here were in fights involving 2 Canadians.

 

how about Lucas-Beyer? Horrible decision. You cant tell me that wasn't a robbery.

 

If you want to watch bad decsions watch sven ottke fights, or valuev (yes he isnt german but he was based there) fights in germany

In the uk I saw junior witter get a gift

Of course usa is the same any one remember lewis-holy 1 :-(

Every country in the world is bad just some worse then others

But ill never get oiver the reffing of ottke-reid when he got a warning for knocking ottke down and a point deducted for hitting sven to hard :hey Take those 3 lost points into account for a start :bbb