What criteria do you use for your HW ratings?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ratings can be very subjective and sometimes rather than results get based on personal feelings or sometimes justifiably on historical wins

    My question is, how many wins or years should it be before someone moves in the ratings

    Not that ratings are done this way
    But if ratings were based on the last 3 fights for example how it would go?

    Usyk - Fury, Dubois, Joshua
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller
    Parker - Zhang, Wilder, Kean
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora
    Joshua - (loss) Dubois, Ngannou, Wallin
    Kabayel - Sanchez, Makmudov, Smakici
    Zhang - Wilder, (loss) Parker, Joyce

    Etc
    Or if based on years, how many?

    Take the last 2 years or so, say beginning of September 2022 to make a whole month

    Usyk - Fury, Dubois
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller, (loss) Usyk, Lerena
    Parker - Zhang, Wilder, Kean, Opelu, Massey, (loss) Joyce
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora

    To give an idea


    So
    What is the criteria you use?
    Is it a personal feeling
    Personal favourite
    Results? And based over what period
    Timescales?
     
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  2. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Who beat who?
    2. Career achievements
    3. Perceived current head to head potential

    In that order mostly
     
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  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Who beat who, how, when. Any other "extracurricular" achievements like unifying, being a multi-time champion, etc
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Brit Level is the only criteria we should apply

    Usyk isn't British but he's very much Brit Level

    Elite Brit Level

    Elite of the elite Brit Level

    In the good old days when boxing was a regional sport the gold standard (ie. before the Brits and the Soviets took over) was American level but I consider all those fighters from back then bums. Yep, you read that right guys. BUMS.
     
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  5. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This forum ranks depending on who they like or hate

    Fury is a useless bum for losing to an mma guy, but usyk is the goat for scraping by the same useless bum who mangled his face
     
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  6. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey, hey- HOLD ON NOW SERGE

    The gold standard was actually Korean Level;

    Watch this guy if you have time. JUNG KOO CHANG LEVEL

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    "American Level" Tsk tsk tsk. Playing right into their hands.
     
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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes
    This may be the correct and most accurate way
    I was looking at the real non bias HW top 10 and to my surprise it was something like
    Usyk
    Dubois
    Fury
    Joshua
    Whyte
    Wardley
    Clarke
    Itauma
    Chisora
    Fisher

    As I recall it
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I get that but I was asking how long before you think well that win was years ago and they haven't done much since

    For example with say Fury and Dubois
    last 3 fights
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora

    Last 2 years
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller, (loss) Usyk, Lerena
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora


    So would you have Dubois rated above or below Fury based on Fury having some greater wins years back?
     
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  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    We're talking HW
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I get that but I was asking how long before you think well that win was years ago and they haven't done much since

    For example with say Fury and Dubois
    last 3 fights
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora

    Last 2 years
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller, (loss) Usyk, Lerena
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora


    So would you have Dubois rated above or below Fury based on Fury having some greater wins years back?
     
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  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    So you feel it comes down to personal feelings and fan rating basically?
     
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  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I get that but I was asking how long before you think well that win was years ago and they haven't done much since

    For example with say Fury and Dubois
    last 3 fights
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora

    Last 2 years
    Dubois - Joshua, Hrgovic, Miller, (loss) Usyk, Lerena
    Fury - (loss) Usyk, Ngannou, Chisora


    So would you have Dubois rated above or below Fury based on Fury having some greater wins years back?
     
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  14. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Fury did better then Dubois against Usyk. Although Dubois did get unlucky with the low blow call. Dubois is certainly breathing down Fury’s neck now.
     
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  15. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No I don't, but the forum seems that way
    I like Fury, but I don't think he's a top tier heavy

    I'm just using him as an example. Many say his resume sucks and Ngannou beat him which shows his real level. That's fine,nothing wrong with an opinion. However, when the same guys big up Usyk winning a competitive fight against Fury like it was Ali v Foreman? Then that's double standards

    You either rate someone or you don't despite personal feelings
     
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