What determines a fighter being...

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  1. rm36

    rm36 Active Member Full Member

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    a one-handed or two-handed puncher ? You have certain fighters like Tyson and Foreman with tremendous power in both hands. You also have an equal or greater number of fighters with murderous power in one hand, but they're not nearly as impressive with the other. Fighters like these are your Joe Fraziers and David Tuas. So my question is, why is this the case ? Is there an answer from a physiological perspective ? I know Frazier seemed to suggest that part of the reason why he was so successful with the left was due to a stance that favored it. But, should this make us believe that a different stance may have made him more effective with the right ?
     
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    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I don't really have a great question to your whole answer, but take a fighter like Marco Antonio Barrera. He was a two-fisted fighter, for sure, he would utilize his left in all sorts of ways. He'd throw it to the body constantly as a Super Bantamweight, but then used it more as a jabbing weapon when he moved up in weight. He did everything with it. However, his right hand also scored multiple knockouts, and he could do everything he did with his left with his right also.

    In theory, Marco should have been a southpaw because he was naturally left handed. But you see many fighters choosing to do it the other way because it just makes it easier to set things up. I'm naturally right handed, but I think I would be more comfortably fighting from a southpaw stance, because my right jab would be stronger and sharper, and then I have more leverage to get power on my weaker hand. Just some general thoughts.

    Some fighters just don't have that much variety in their offense that they can throw all of the shots in the book. It may have to do with styles of training, and maybe it just comes naturally to the more naturally gifted fighters.
     
  4. teeto

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    I just think that it's down to technique a good amount of the time, if they are powerful they are powerful, sometimes a fighter doesn't feel comfortable punching very hard or with the right technique with one of his hands.
     
  5. lefthook31

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    genetics, coordination, technique all play a factor. I dont know if you have ever boxed, but once you learn technique, you will notice an ability to do somethings better than others. In my case, Im righthanded, but I can throw a nasty lefthook. Punching power is a gift from God. Ive sparred guys with awesome technique who couldnt crack an egg, and others who were sloppy, but felt like heavyweight shots when they landed.
    Ive even noticed this when working and sparring with kids. Some of them can hit pretty good, and their technique is usually not the greatest .
     
  6. teeto

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    Funny you should say this, i can identify with you. I'm right handed, but the only way i ever hit hard with a right hand was by swinging it heavily, whereas i learned how to throw left hooks properly, especially the short ones, where i'd turn the knuckles at the optimal moment to generate the best power i could.

    Your post is spot on, some fighters just find it easier to throw some shots better than others, in terms of technique, and practice makes perfect.
     
  7. Chinxkid

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    I think it is stance, or style. The guys you're talking about that have power in both hands are typically swarmers, stalkers. Guys leaning a bit forward, with their weight more evenly distributed across their shoulders. They are more squared up, which lends power to both sides. This is why these right handed fighters tend to have bigger left hooks than boxers whose stances keep them turned a bit towards their backhand, a thinner stance, which puts the reliance on their jab and right cross. This is not to say a "boxer", like Robinson or Ali can't have a good hook. The best of them do, and IMO they both did, especially Robinson. And of course boxers need an effective jab to keep these "comers" out, whereas guys like Tyson and Frazier used theirs primarily for interference, to clear a path for their advance.
     
  8. rm36

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    It just seems like there must be some kind of physiological explanation why a man would have power in one hand and not in the other. If we're basing this on muscle fiber and recruitment, I can't see any reason why this should be the case. What would be substantially different for one when compared to the other ?

    I know that coordination and comfort with a certain hand dictates a lot of this. A guy like Frazier was just more comfortable throwing the left hook. He was better with it. But I'm still not clear what the logic behind this is. Is there any scientific explanation for having better coordination and power production with one hand rather than both ?
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    Practice, practice and more practice. If you practice throwing with your weaker hand it will become a strength eventually, your strong hand will also have better coordination and naturally be more powerful but you'll be 2 handed. 1 handed fighters have just become 'left hook happy' so to speak, throwing what they throw best over and over instead of focusing on their weakness. Guys like Frazier get away with it because they are so very good with that 1 hand.
     
  10. rm36

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    That could be true. But if its the case, I'm confused as to why an old hand like Eddie Futch wouldn't do more to ensure the development of Joe's right.
     
  11. PetethePrince

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    :good

    A lot of it comes down to discipline too. Every fighter can learn how to hit good with both hands and with good technique. It takes a lot of work for some and less for others.
     
  12. ripcity

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    A lot of factors detreman power in one or both hands. First of all while techneque can improve power. power it's self is a natural talent. In other words a fethered fisted boxer can improve his power but is not going to become a power puncher no matter how much he works at it. The fourlma for power is mass+ distance + speed = power. Which is why heavyweights and long lanky boxers tend to have the most power. Style is an important factor as well. Most boxers fight out of a high guard. While a high guard provides for better defense it takes away some power. You can still hit with power with both hands but you get more power out of a low guard. Perhaps the most important punch in boxing is the jab. Typicaly the jab is a range finder and point scorer but rarely a power punch. The jab if you commit to it can be a power punch. Usualy if a boxer has two handed power it is the hook that provides the power. Of the three basic punches Jab, Stright and Hook. The hook may be the hardest to perfect. For most boxers their power punch is the stright from the back and usualy dominit hand, because it is stronger than the lead hand and travels a greater distance.
     
  13. rm36

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    But no one has really explained why it is that one hand is powerful and another might not be.

    The only options are that the explanation is physiological, but I haven't heard the reasoning. Or certain fighters must just have coordination problems with their other hand, or something in their technique does not favor it.

    Does this mean that Frazier could have developed into an even more vicious puncher if someone had forced him to develop his right more ?
     
  14. rm36

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    :think

    An even better example might be a Gerry Cooney type fighter.
     
  15. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm right handed my right hand is a more powerful punch than my left hand. It is also easier for me to write, throw, eat using my right hand. If I were left handed all would be true with my left hand. Some people are amerdextrous equal in both hands. Sometimes people who are left handed are taught to use their right hand so they devlope skils in their right hand while being naturaly left handed.