What did Povetkin most likely think, watching Wlad last night?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If Klitschko couldn't get it up for Sultan, will he get it up for a pressure fighter who is willing to take a lot of punishment to get in there, like Povetkin?
     
  2. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    im sorry and i know u usually do a great job analyzing but im going to have disagree. Mentally weak? Maybe he lacks in-ring confidence or a killer instinct but no mentally weak person could have been stopped three times, rebuild his career through hard work and dedication, change his style, and become the hw champ of the world. that shows great heart and character. he's never quit or been counted out.

    u should watch the peter fight and reaccess your opinion. peter forced him to fight in the last 3 rounds and he outslugged him after being on the canvas 3x

    and u know my opinion on wlad-povetkin :yep
     
  3. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    The Sultan of last night is an entirely different fighter from Povetkin.

    If what you say about Povetkin is true, that he'll show tremendous heart and pressure Wladimir, how can you disagree?
     
  4. the_Hawk

    the_Hawk Member Full Member

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    Sultan's only intention was to survive... Povetkin will fight like a lion and well... Lets wait and see where it gets him.
     
  5. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He will be thinking How the hell do you get past that jab.. He will have the same problems Sultan had last night.. I felt sorry for Ibragimov , he was trying too hard in the late rounds , it looked kinda despairate..
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Of course they're different. But if Wlad is risk-averse when it comes to mixing it up and getting down and dirty...will he beat a Povetkin who will give it everything just with his jab?
     
  7. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Povetkin and Sultan have very different fighting styles. The 'jab and grab' routine would work marvelously well to soften up Povetkin. He also doesn't know how to stop flush straight rights.

    I don't see him getting in any meaningful punches on Wlad before getting stopped. Wlad desperately tries to avoid taking a shot.
     
  8. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    He will make Povetkin catch hell with the jab, and as Alex will move forward and let his hands go -- without the fearsome power of a Peter -- he will be exposed to timed power shots that will rock him silly. He doesn't have the size, punch or defense to contend with Klitschko. Bad matchup for him.

    Wladimir would have been happy to trade with Sultan, had his opponent offered any real offense. All Ibragimov did was lunge in desperately from time to time, with no real intention to do damage. I agree that WK should have looked to counter more frequently, but he was given the fight on a platter and accepted it.

    If Povetkin insists on letting his hands go against a guy with all the physical advantages except stamina, he'll get crushed.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Ok...WK v. AP analysis aside, let's get back to what Povetkin will have taken from last night's fight.:good
     
  10. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I got the winner right. All the best analysts thought Povetkin would win by stoppage.

    He is not mentally weak for the average boxer, he is mentally weak for a champion. There is no doubt Povetkin would make Wlad work harder than anyone has, especially Sultan. Ibragimov fought at Wlad's pace and still made Wlad fight scared. Povetkin will make him work 3 minutes of every round and break him down. Klitschko panics when someone is throwing punches at him and wastes a lot of energy just from that. He's used to opponents like Ibragimov fighting his fight and not pushing themselves with confidence and a solid, non-sloppy attack.

    And what happens after 6 rounds if Wlad throws those punches and Povetkin takes them? Klitschko is not a confident fighter and that's why he performed the way he did last night. He was afraid of doing too much and gassing out and he was afraid of getting countered by a quick fighter. Povetkin is a much better fighter than Ibragimov with a much better chin/stamina/mentality.

    We'll see.
     
  11. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Peter was willing to take a lot of punishment to get in there and it didn't help him.

    Wlad didn't fight more aggressive because he didn't need to. Boring, but a shut-out win nonetheless. So why should Wlad "get it up"? Sultan was on the backfoot all night, but Povetkin comes forward all the time, a swarmer if you will. He won't need to look for him. Swarmer vs puncher never favors the swarmer, just ask Patterson when he fought Liston or Frazier when he fought Foreman.
     
  12. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Hopefully he understood Wlad is mentally weak and still thinks about his losses when he's in the ring. He has improved his style, but his mentality is pretty much the same. Povetkin should understand that one doens't have to be more skilled than Klitschko to beat him, you just need to make Wlad work, take his punches, make him lose confidence, and when he starts gassing and breaking down that's when you push with everything you've got and go for the kill. Steward knows Wlad is mentally weak and he understands what solid, at least B+ level fighters with a chin and great mental strength could do to A level mentally-weak champions. He was disappointed in Wlad yesterday and I think he'll try to improve his mindset the way he tried with Cintron.. unfortunately that rarely works with fighters.

    Wlad is like a more talented HW version of Kermit Cintron who has better physical advantages over his opponents and could stick to gameplans better. :lol:

    Peter also isn't as skilled as Povetkin and his stamina isn't nearly as good. He was also even more green than Povetkin is now at the time.

    Wlad could have fought aggressive and he wanted to. Steward wanted him to. But he couldn't. Why? Because he's mentally weak. It's not hard to tell. When someone is throwing punches at Wlad, most of the time he doesn't punch back, he usually panics and tries to stop the attack by doing everything but punching back. He wastes a lot of energy doing that and if Povetkin takes his right hands after 8 rounds you could imagine how tired he will be later in the fight.

    Oh, and Wlad doesn't have the toughness, chin, stamina, or mental strength of Liston and Foreman. Bad comparisons.
     
  13. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Povetkin won't be on his feet if he gets caught the way Chambers got him through the first half of their fight. And Alex didn't strike me as having a granite chin, based on some of his reactions to those shots. We know for certain that Chambers can't punch for ****.

    The Brewster theory is valid, I guess. But you have to believe that Povetkin will take numberous flush right hands and eventually win on workrate against a fighter who no longer tires himself out.

    Maybe he would make Wladimir work that hard, but Peter -- a significantly better puncher than Povetkin -- was unable to achieve that result. In fact, Peter's strong chin (softened up that night, IMO) nearly gave way late. Povetkin might land more, but he'll be getting tagged and leaned on in the process. My guess is he doesn't make it to the final bell, or even come close.
     
  14. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what he thought???

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!!!
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    C Money didn't!:bart