What did Wilder-Fury prove?

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  1. conkers

    conkers Member Full Member

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    I enjoyed the fight on Saturday and although Fury was a little unlucky, I don’t consider it a robbery. I wanted Fury to win but given the subjective nature of scoring, a draw is reasonable.

    In the aftermath of this fight I am shocked at how many people think the 2nd and 3rd best fighters drawing with each other elevates them to the top of the division. For this argument to make any sense you would have to consider 2018 Fury or Wilder to be clearly the best in the division before the bout.

    At his best I think Fury is the top man but I’m not convinced drawing with someone as limited as Wilder proves he’s at his best.

    Commercially this was the 3rd most successful event at heavyweight this year and to put the PPV success in perspective. The US PPV revenue is approximately the same as Haye-Bellew 1 British PPV. They are still a level below Joshua in terms of value and belts. The financial gap is closing between Joshua and the rest but its still not 50-50.

    I hope Joshua-Fury can be made as the Wilder-Fury rematch will be another voluntary so locked into another 2 fights if Fury wins which will mean no fight between Joshua and Fury or Wilder until 2020 at the earliest.

    I would be interested to see if this happened whether Wilder would fight someone like Breazeale on PPV. Such an event would show Wilders true value.
     
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  2. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder fight with Fury sold because of Fury. Both promoted that fight well. A PPV fight with Breazeale would be a disaster.
     
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  3. DonTyson

    DonTyson Active Member Full Member

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    It proved Wilder is an average (being generous) boxer with phenomenal power and Fury is an anomaly. As I said in another thread Wilder and PPV against anyone other than Fury or AJ equates to PissPoorViewership.

    I don’t hate Wilder but the tweet he sent out saying he won and he’s oppressed disappointed me more than anything. He earned an ounce of respect then comes out with that bile on social media. I’m just glad in this day and age we got the top tier heavies butting heads. The fans are the winners
     
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  4. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Breazeale's mumbling of 'you got yourself a fight' to an agitated Joshua is still one of the low key inadvertent funniest things I've seen. It's such a lame comment and yet it somehow genuinely and for me totally inexplicably set Joshua off.
     
  5. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I personally think Joshua has a very aggressive side to him, and can easily be agitated, but is very well managed by his team. Basically you're not seeing the real Anthony Joshua. the real Anthony Joshua will tell you to **** off, but the money making Anthony Joshua is very polite. Eventually his true character will show.
     
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  6. DoubleJ

    DoubleJ Active Member Full Member

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    I think it proved that both men are good fighters. Fury is at least 90% of what he was when he faced Wlad and that is better than all but a handful of HWs at the moment. Wilder narrowly lost to him, IMO, but has the type of fight changing power that nearly pulled out the win.

    Credit to both men. I left the arena tons of respect for both of them.
     
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  7. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I've never taken to him as a bloke. I do however rate him as a fighter and if he let the mask slip and started acting like a ***** it wouldn't change that. If he gets schooled by Fury or one punched by Wilder I'd say they were great - in one case due to one certain attribute - rather than suddenly say Joshua was a bum.
     
  8. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Almost certainty Wilder will struggle in all his fights without a knockout . The only fight he didn't struggle in title fights was Arreola which doesn't say much. Hard guy to defeat but it's there right for the taking on any giving night.
     
  9. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    None of the fighters are bums. One thing I do hate about boxing fans is how easy they can label world class fighters as bums. Joshua is a very good boxer. His weaknesses are bad stamina, which results in him being 50% of the boxer that he actually is by about round 6. His other flaws are his straight line movement with minimal head movement, which probably play in favour for Fury, who could pick him off. Joshua's strengths are his power, his great leverage when he throws punches. His jab. His calmness when he hurts a boxer. A clinical finisher.
     
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  10. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    He definitely showed in the build up to the Dillian Whyte fight, that he might not be the laid back, chilled guy that many of us thought of him as.

    But then again, I'm pretty laid back 99.9% of the time, but push the right buttons and I can lose my temper too. Only difference is I can't knock out 17 stone men. :D
     
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  11. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hello Mr Corbyn LOL.. I think his buttons can easily be pressed, and he actually has to try hard to prevent his real character from showing. He's a true fighting man that has the right ingredients to dig deep to win. He shows his character a little but in the fights, because when he hurts fighters, he normally can't help it but stick his tongue out and smile. The heavyweight division is alive.
     
  12. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    It clarified that Wilder can't box very well but can punch very hard and Fury can box very well but not punch very hard.

    Simples really.

    I thought it was a cracking fight.
     
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  13. TheChinaChin

    TheChinaChin New Member Full Member

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    :aaaaa:
    You may want to add Stiverne 2 to that list

    Not that it changes the point you're making :ARMS1:
     
  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    It proved that Fury is back, maybe not 100% yet but he's clearly a big threat to anyone at heavyweight at the moment and might even be the best. Fury clearly raises his game when he needs too, he looked so poor in the 2 comeback fights but he looked so much sharper vs Wilder, in his next fight he could struggle with a nobody but then maybe go dominate a top fighter, you can't predict what you'll face because he'll always rise to another level when needed.

    We also learned Fury's powers of recovery are almost supernatural, he didn't even look hurt after getting up from the that 2 punch combo. Anyone trying to stop Fury will need to literally grind him down, he's not just going to fold.

    Another thing Fury showed is he's learned to reign in some of his more controversial behaviour. He never did anything too crazy in the build up while still stealing all the lime light. Then after the fight he showed a maturity in dealing with the robbery that wasn't there before his return and it has helped re-shape how Fury is seen by many boxing fans. He's no longer the loose cannon he once was.

    As for Wilder, we learned once again that he can be out boxed, he's your typical puncher, he's fallen in love with his power and now just relies on that to bail him out every time and has abandoned any real attempt to box, he's just constantly looking for that one big punch. We also learned his power while immense can't get everyone out, every time.
     
  15. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I personally don't think it proved anything we didn't already know, or at least those that are smart didn't.

    Fury has an excellent boxing iq and a great heart, Wilder has a very limited skillset however has world class power and speed.