What division would Hagler have been in today?

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  1. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    For the ones who don't believe you, they need to go to an amateur tournament. It's not unusual to see fighters 5-10 and over at 141, by 152, you're seeing guys who walk around in the 170s, maybe 180s. Often it seems like the 165s are the biggest kids in the tournament, by height. Just because a guy fights at a light weight doesn't mean he is the same size as untrained people of the same weight.

    The kid who was a good high school football player at 5-8, 155-60 and is looking for a new sport after graduation, will often box at 132 or 141. The ones who get into boxing and want to fight without cutting weight usually find they are too small if they fight at their "walking around" or "natural" weight and they cut weight themselves if they want to stay in boxing. A kid who played football at 155-60 and wants to fight at that weight will often find himself boxing against kids who are near 6-0 or even taller and who were 185 or so when they got into boxing. The ones who want to box and stay in the sport will usually figure out what weight they want to be and they usually want to be in a class where they will be big.
     
  2. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The number of 6', 132 pound guys is mind boggling.
    In OKC, I met a guy that was going to the national GG tournament at 165. He had been playing high school football and that was as much as he could cut before the regional tournament.
    He knew that he had no chance at 165; he got as low as 152 leading up to the tournament. His plan for the next year was 141.
     
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  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "No. I'm a legit middleweight" - Marvin Hagler 1981. In the ring after his first fight with Mustafa Hamsho answering a question on whether he would be willing to move down a weight if Sugar Ray Leonard would n't move up.

    I see no reason why that would change.
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because he would be facing naturally much bigger men and given the 24 hour weigh-in's he could cut to a lower weight and hydrate himself before the bout.

    I'm not saying he would but why have the cards stacked against you if you can help it?
     
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  5. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

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    He would be a flyweight and try to unify the titles against Rocky Marciano
     
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  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  7. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What a ludicrous thread.

    If the 5'8 Canelo who started at 147 can win titles up to LHW then a true ATG like Hagler could easily do the same but without the assistance of half blind judges and giving your opponents 2 months notice for a fight.
     
  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So why didn't he do it in reality then?
     
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  9. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because he didn't need to. The MW title was the most prestigious title outside of HW and once the other members of the Fab 4 moved up in weight the money fights for Marvin were all at MW.
     
  10. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So now LHW is more prestigious than MW?
     
  11. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You ask a casual to name a weight division below HW do you think MW or LHW gets the most mentions ???
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    154 would be right in his wheelhouse for sure. It's a terrifying thought.

    Not sure about 147.
     
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  13. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, he is. But today's middleweights aren't.
    Hagler could have gone to 154, no problem whatsoever. Also competed, as he did, at 160.
     
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  14. cornwall22

    cornwall22 Marcos Maidana stan Full Member

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    He might have quoted Miguel Cotto and said, 'Do I look like a middleweight?' or he defiantly wouldn't have and would have continued murdering people at 160.
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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