What do jcc jr., calzaghe, and edwin valero have in common?

Isn't Pavlik fighting Hopkins himself?

And wow he outboxed Kelly Pavlik. Big ****ing woop. The guy isn't exactly a supreme technician himself.

There's a lot of people who could outbox Pavlik, including Calzaghe himself.

And you seem to be forgetting that Calzaghe is 37 himself. Maybe Pavlik needs to stop picking on 'old guys', grow a pair and get in the ****ing ring with Arthur Abraham.

 

Haha he's contradicting himself constantly......Calzaghe at 37 is cherry picking a 39 year old but Pavlik at 26 fighting a 43 year old and chasing a 37 isn't the same???

And you're forgetting Pavlik was practically one shot from being stopped in the first Taylor fight, he's far from unbeatbale

this takamura guy is pretty dumb......if he's a big Pavlik fan, no problem, but be realistic

 

He's clearly another Pavlik nut-hugger.

All I will say to him is that Hopkins is about to expose his arse.

Calzaghe would school him, Kessler would decision him too.

 

You just defined nothing and waffled........

 

1 - Taylor does not have a 'chinaware jaw' whatever the **** that is. It's probably average, perhaps slightly above, but far from china.

2 - I wouldn't describe JMM or Mijares as having 'natural raw power' in there punches. Their power stems mainly from technique, and even then it's not their best attribute by any stretch. These two guys are supreme technicians, quick counter punchers - boxers - they don't have what I would describe as 'natural raw power'. That tag should be affixed to a guy like Edison Miranda, not JMM or Mijares.

3 - Your post doesn't make much sense to me, but anyway, Jermain Taylor is far from a 'master boxer'. The guy has good skills certainly, above average power too, however his defence is lacking, and I wouldn't say him outboxing a predictable puncher like Pavlik justifys the tag of being a 'master boxer'. I wouldn't say he was outboxing Hopkins either, who could have easily won both fights, Taylor was just far too athletic. He's an athlete much more than he is a supreme technician.

 

You're the fool who was branding people master boxers for fun.....so its your prerogative to explain yourself not anyone elses

 

Joe doesn't have the same power as Jermain Taylor, so he's not going to have Pavlik on ***** street. And I don't love to 'hug joe's balls'. Infact, I'm not even really a fan of the guy anymore, but the fact is he's an extremely good fighter. His chin is good enough to withstand Pavlik, and while his punching technique is awful, his work rate, footwork, ring intelligence and extreme adaptibility means he would do an even better job than Taylor.

Because the fact is, Taylor lost twice. You talk about him outboxing Pavlik, but he got knocked out, and then decisioned in the second fight, where he looked like he just wanted to survive. Calzaghe is one of the most adaptible fighters in the game today. If he can adapt to guys like Hopkins and come from behind on the cards to take a decision in Hopkins hometown, then he sure as hell can adapt to predictable guys like Pavlik, he would take away his jab and straight right hand with ease, which are Pavlik's main weapons, and set a high-tempo and work even harder than Pavlik does himself. His footwork was on a masterclass level in the Hopkins fight aswell, Pavlik would hardly even be in range.

 

Calzaghe is a southpaw, has fast hands, good footwork, a good chin, too many angles and throws enough punches to make sure he's scoring....

He could win that fight with his right jab alone if he wished, but he likes to engage with fighters so would want the centre of the ring to be his

You do realise that Pavlik as good as he might become has only beaten Taylor of any real world class, with his Zuniga and Miranda fights being ones that are relevant

 

And i like Taylor, you fool.........

 

I would not use the term 'master boxer' at all, as it sounds like the type of term a *** would use.

But in terms of what I would define a 'master boxer' as if I was given the term. These are guys who are supreme technicians, in terms of ring intelligence, adaptability and technique. These are guys who can adapt to any style and win.

While I would not describe Calzaghe as a 'master boxer', in fact the term I am going to use instead is what I would call a technician. I would not even describe him as this (I would only call a few guys a very good technician, guys like Mayweather, Mijares, JMM, Calderon possibly, possibly Guzman aswell) as his punching technique is awful. But he is adaptable, and he is a very intelligent and experienced fighter.