i don't think belts mean anything anymore, at least in this era. this is one of the only eras where the contenders are way better than the champions. the middleweight title holders expose this stupid sh*t, so does light heavyweight, heavyweight, WELTERWEIGHT. rigondeaux has 15 fights and he already holds belts, i'm not saying he doesn't fight at a world championship level but the motherf*cker only fought 15 times and he's already a unified champion.. the guy fought for a world championship on his 7th fight. come on now. there are also multiple titles in every division. not only are there more than one belt, there are regular titles and super titles which allows who ever holds this title to pick and choose the challenger and cherrypick whoever he wants(floyd, cotto etc.). i think the quality of a fighter is worth more than him holding a belt. golovkin is a better win than cotto because he's obviously the much more dangerous fighter, but people would beg to differ because cotto is the champ. makes no sense to me.
yes cotto is the champ at 160, but no matter how you cut it slice it or dice it, GiGi owns 160. quack quack cotto
I agree. Basically the chickens have came home to roost with the alphabet organisations being totally under the control of the promoters. To a certain extent it was always like that but now especially with the huge TV deals it's almost total. At least when there was only one champion per division you knew generally (not always) a contender was of a certain level and normally had to beat another contender to earn a shot. It was one champion and 10 contenders,now there are potentially 4 champions and potentially 40 contenders,or is it more? Do some some get a shot being ranked top 15 now? It's a farce just dilutes the whole thing and drives down standards. There are some fighters in recent years who have been labelled a world champion, who wouldn't have been a top 30 or 40 contender one time.
There have been at least 3 titles since the 80s everybody hails SRL,Hearns era but they all won titles when there were 3 not before. If you consider these intriem/regular titlist real champions that's your mistake because I don't, being a legitimate world champ or have a legitimate title matters. Only time people say titles don't matter is when they have an agenda, you mentioned Cotto and Floyd one just unified 3 Real World title vs Actual World Champs and retire undisputed. The other just beat the legitimate man in his division took a tuneup vs the "best" MWs best win and destroyed him, and is now fighting in the second biggest matchup these year. If that's a cherry pick more fighters could pick like that instead we have guys getting praise for bum fights vs subpar comp. Real talk Berto would be the best or second best win on 7/8 out of the top 10 WWs right now, and Geale is the best win on the supposed real MW champ resume those are cherries for the, because they are actual elite fighters and these other guys are currently pretenders. Also bringing up GGG what on his resume make him more legit than Cotto because he can beat bums? In 2 fights Cotto has beaten the same amount of Champs as GGG in 30+. Cotto took a risk and moved to his 4th division and beat a then top P4P fighter, GGG is scared to move up 1 division to fight a legit fighter. And the excuse is because he wants to unify titles but titles are meaningless.... Go figure?
of all the champions floyd has beaten how many of them do you think are elite or fight at a world championship level? go down the list slowly victor ortiz: lol robert guerrero: nope sorry marcos maidana: beat floyd but nope, khan and alexander are his fathers cotto: okay pacquiao: old, injured, happened 6 years later hatton: nope judah: 4 round fighter who is now getting his sh*t handed to him by the new generation of fighters. gatti: punching bag canelo: he ain't that bad but he ain't that good castillo: beat floyd baldomir: lmaooooooooooooooooooooo dela hoya: alright, but over the hill. drew with floyd of all the champions floyd has beaten you only have one good claim in genaro hernandez and even he isn't that great. who did he beat? only name i recognize is dela hoya and he beat hernandez, the rest are title defenses against guys who don't even have wikipedia pages
cotto moved to 160 to fight an injured over the hill fighter who was limping after the 1st round... titleholder or not, that win holds no weight.
Ive been saying for a long time, that titles, ion of themselves no longer mean anything. The fighter makes the title, not the other way around. Sanctioning bodies are just businesses, looking for a profit like every other kind of business.
De LA hoya lost to Floyd ya big mongo. And Castillo lost too. Where the **** are u getting your info from mate? I think you need to take a look at boxrec. Its this website that you can look up any fighters records on. Did u not here that mayweather retired on Saturday UNDEFEATED!!! Your obviously not a real boxing fan if ya didnt no that. Haha
It's a general indication of some skill set or ability. Usually the 4 or more champions of a division do fall in the top 7-ish of a division. So it's nice. But yes there are many examples of "contenders" being better than a titlist as has been the case for decades and beyond now. That said, who are the best fighters of the last 10 years to never win a title? Matthysse comes to mind. Other than that? Usually a good fighter will win a title at some point and great fighters will win multiple titles. Now there are some average fighters who, based solely on titles, sound much greater than they are. But that is the case for non-champions as well. Holding a belt or not, the fighters are what they are and have accomplished what they have accomplished.
Man you can do that to anyone the funny thing is you can't name guys who he could of fought in his division who is better than he did fight. To each his own though dude has the best resume and the best recent resume so if his resume is trash everyone else's is straight garbage, and if that's the case why watch the sport?
Ortiz - not a HOFer by any stretch but coming off beating the #2 WW, WBC Champ, was rated #3 WW, had the best WW win that year. Guerrero - won legit Titles at FW/SFW and was too rated contender at LW & WW, moved up beatdown two top 5 WW I his first 2 fights,Moho were also rated #1&2 by WBC Maidana - has one of the hardest resumes in boxing, a legit JWW/WW Champ in only undebatable loss was to Alexander, and the Mayweather rematch, top WW, coming off one of the 3 best wishes no at WW that year. Cotto - beat the #1 JMW for his title, is a HOFer, went on to beat the Real MW Champ. Pacquiao - WBO Champ came off beating a prime P4P fighter, and a world Champ one division lower, is an ATG, and is still favored over most WWs today. Hatton - Undisputed JWW Champ nothing else really needs to be said. Judah - the last fighter Mayweather fought coming off a loss, was signed before he loss, was still #3 WW and one of the best in the division. Gatti - rated more for entertainment, still highest rated JWW behind Tyszu, is a HOFer Alvarez - unified JMW Champ is still rated #1, with wins over Trout before and Lara,Angulo, and soon to be Cotto after. Castillo - universally recognized as the best LW of our generation. Baldomir - upset the Undisputed WW Champ, fought top rated fighter from 147-68 Hoya- older but coming off a win over the #1 JMW Champ, was the #1 JMW Champ, is an ATG/HOFer. From guys Mayweather took a title from almost all of them were on the elite level. Mayweather didn't fight the 2nd best champ, or the intriem champ, or the vacant champ, he consistently fought the best Champ. And finished his career undisputed WW Champ. Your talking about Cotto and GGG and how you think GGG is the real Champ then bash Floyds Comp. when GGG hasn't fought a fighter as good as Berto let alone Ortiz.
