What do you consider more skilled, offensive fighters or defensive fighters?

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  1. horst

    horst Guest

    5 offensive fighters:

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Roberto Duran
    Roy Jones Jr
    Manny Pacquiao
    Wilfredo Gomez


    5 defensive fighters:

    Wilfred Benitez
    Floyd Mayweather Jr
    Bernard Hopkins
    James Toney
    Nicolino Locche



    Which group do you consider more skilled?


    I have tried to include only fighters who I consider primarily 'offensive' and primarily 'defensive'.

    Although all of the fighters in either category are totally different, they do share the persuasion of either one or the other.

    Roberto Duran and a prime Roy Jones are extremely different fighters, but both of them based their games around attacking and looking to inflict damage.

    Wilfred Benitez and Bernard Hopkins are also very different, but both of them rely on defence as the central point of their games, and use a defensive standpoint to then fight their fights.


    I purposefully did not include any guys that I can't say are primarily defensive or offensive, such as Ray Leonard (who was extremely offensive in fights such as Ranzany, but not particularly offensive in Duran II and Hagler) and Pernell Whitaker (who is labelled as a defensive fighter and often was, but also produced some of the most brilliant offensive displays ever as well, such as McGirt II).
     
  2. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    I prefer an offensive fighter (much more excitng), but don't think there's a real skill difference.

    It's not like football (or soccer if you're American), where it's easier to defend than attack... Very hard to answer.
     
  3. Poirot

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    - I'm not sure about more skills being defensive or offensive.

    - I think defensive fighters rely more on their intelligence.

    - But for that cleverness to show you have to be a Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweathers of this world - really good at avoiding getting hit. It's almost like they have learned how to avoid getting hit.

    - I know you don't mention Pernell Whittaker, but IMO his defence was relying on a natural gift (his amazing reflexes). The same was true for Roy Jones - who just relied on his amazing natural reflexes - which deteriorates as you get past the 30 years mark.
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    whoever has more skills overall (offense + defense) is the more skilled fighter.
     
  5. godlikerich

    godlikerich Active Member Full Member

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    Duran, despite his offence, was a very clever fighter and had a very good defence as he came in. It's hard to answer. The most skilful fighters will be masters of both IMO.
     
  6. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    this
     
  7. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    The thing is Duran, RJJ(prime), and I guess Gomez(debatable) all had great defense too. Defense helps you set your offense and sometimes offense can prevent your opponent from throwing. Both are important but I can't possibly say one is more skilled than the other. Benitez, Toney, Hopkins, and Floyd all are known for defense but are brilliant counterpunchers and once Hopkins & Floyd were very offensive though they still had the defense. I haven't seen much of Locche so I can't say much on him.
     
  8. Seven Chance

    Seven Chance Augustus Style Journeyman Full Member

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    Just from personal experience it's much easier to throw punches than to avoid them
     
  9. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    :goodSame here. Still, both offensive & defensive fighters are skilled and imo fighters need some of both.
     
  10. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hard one to answer. Offense is amazing too. In a way, effective offense is a defense unto itself.

    I personally just find defensive counter punching aesthetically pleasing. Something about the guy in there calmly dismantling a raging opponent.
     
  11. RedHots

    RedHots Active Member Full Member

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    Between apples and oranges, I think apples taste more like grapes.

    (The concept itself is way too generalized. You can't really quantify more skill between offensive styles and defensive styles either way.)
     
  12. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly, i think defensive fighters are more skilled.
     
  13. Squire

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  14. slantone

    slantone Ring General Full Member

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    the fighters listed most definetly have strenghts in one or the other, but all possess greatness in both. you cant win a fight if you hit and get hit as often, or dont get hit, but dont punch.

    i see what youre saying, and you make a good thread, i just think labeling a fighter as one or the other is misleading. pac may be a great offensive fighter, but i also think he is the top 5 defensive figthers around also. he dosent, slip or block as well as floyd obciously , but he is able to move his feet in and out of range while getting his own, which is amazing considering the reach disadvatage his is constantly at. same thing with roy jones, who before he got old, had amazing defensive reflexes, he was one of the hardest dudes to hit.

    even the most extreme example of a great offensive force, mike tyson, was a tremendouse bobber and weaver. what makes these fighters so great at offence is often their ability to transition to defence and offence seamlessly. no great offensive figher simply mows forward and hits and tries to just bludgen their man, with an array of punches and is successful - the ony example i can think of is perhasp triindad.

    so all in all, an interesting question- but i just think its the wrong question to be asking. and over simplified for a sport , that is far more complex, and too simple for true thinkng boxing fans.
     
  15. MAG1965

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    if done properly a great offense can be good defensively.