What do you guys think about this fight between Bramble and Rosario in 1986?

This is a situation where Bramble was overrated because he beat another overrated guy in Mancini and he fought an underrated guy in Rosario who lost to good fighters like Ramirez and Camacho and who had fought Davis and others who were good. With Bramble, Rosario landed punches with ease and with power and Bramble could do nothing but fall after a minute of taking big shots with no defense from them. It didn't help that Rosario threw those round house punches and Bramble kept his hands close to his face so that Rosario's punches went around his gloves. Simply put Rosario was the better and stronger fighter with more experience against top quality fighters.

 

I'm tellin' you all that Bramble was hanging tuff until he backed against the ropes in round 2 and took a thumb in the eye from a Rosario uppercut........... Rosario did throw a good uppercut that caught Bramble against the ropes, but, Rosario's thumb went right into Bramble's eye and he became blinded.... Thus, Rosario stepped up his attack and put a barrage of shots together to close the show.......... Bramble did get thumbed by Rosario........... Bramble motions that he's blind by a thumb upon rising after being counted out......... I've seen this fight numerous times.... I own a copy of it from the actual HBO telecast from '86.......... Cheers..........

MR.BILL:bbb:good:shock::nono

 

The thumb occured around the 6:42 mark of the fight....... Bramble was thumbed there............

MR.BILL

 

I would love to see the HBO copy on youtube with Ray and Tompkins and Merchant. I taped it that night and taped over the fights accidently. I still remember that night. I still remember Merchant saying Bramble might be hurt here. Something like that in round 2 when Bramble falls against the ropes after the thumbing part. We were all shocked about Bramble being stopped and then Camacho fought Boza Edwards in a very boring fight.
I wish I could agree with you on the thumbing thing. Bramble was thumbed but at the end of round one Rosario landed a decent short right and Bramble looked a little stunned before the thumbing. Rosario came out more aggressive in round 2 and that is when he landed that left hook/uppercut with Bramble on the ropes. Before that thumbing (which was actually another left uppercut thrown) Rosario was already starting to land and he hurt Bramble. That might have just made Bramble aware of his left eye more but Rosario was going to knock him out. Bramble was being countered awfully easy and Rosario could punch. Bramble had no answer for that sort of power and really speed. I think all the swelling did was give Bramble an excuse he could try and convince people about, but the way stayed down for the 10 count after being nailed shows it was the punch and not the swelling and most people do not buy the thumbing as the reason he lost. If the swelling was the only issue he would have kept fighting and the ref would have stopped it. He was being nailed with huge punches and he just said no mas. Big time.

 

Exactly. You got it right on. And it was a punch which hurt Bramble, but for that punch to land by Rosario that clean with his kind of power means he was going to keep landing it. Actually had the punch been a little lower and landed on the chin of Bramble the fight might have been over in a matter of seconds. Yet without the swelling, Bramble would have lasted into the 3rd round maybe, but that swelling only made a difference of a minute or two at the most. Rosario was teeing off and everytime Rosario hit Bramble it was hurting him. Bramble made a big mistake signing to fight Rosario. Rosario was underrated and just too strong and fast. Bramble fighting a guy who punches that fast and hard was a mistake when Bramble did not know how to fight on his toes.

 

It matters not if Bramble was thumbed or not....the outcome was never indoubt and could have ended no other way.

Rosario was a just a better pure fighter/boxer than Bramble could have ever been. There was a great talent gap between the two.

 

The fight was slated to be ALL for Livy Bramble........ Christ, Bramble was a 4 to 1 fav. going in................... Bramble was a very strong 135 pounder.......... In my book, I thought Eddie Rosario had the frame of a 126 to 130 pounder fighting above his best weight at 135............... 130 MIGHT'VE been best suited for the short Rosario.?.?.?

I will state, openly, that Bramble's boxing skills were vastly overrated....... Bramble had poor lateral movement..... Bramble had good power, but, he often stood right in front of his foe....... Bramble's defense was also overrated, as was his chin...................

I liked Livy Bramble in the mid-80's, but he was not as good as I had originally thought......

Still, Bramble ate a good uppercut / thumb from Rosario against the ropes near the 6:42 mark of rd 2.... The fight TOTALLY changed at that point......... Peace.....

MR.BILLbbb:rasta:shock:

 

Mr Bill you have a great memory. You are right about the 4-1 underdog. I was surprised that morning when I read it in the paper about the odds. Those were really big odds for Bramble.

 

Also the tape at 5:50 on youtube, which was in round 2 shows Rosario counter. Things seemed to go his way after that since Bramble seemed to be a little surprised by that counter and Rosario then went on the offensive. One thing about Rosario he did know when to turn it on and go for the knockout.

 

yeah he did. He took Mancini's punches but that just shows you how hard Rosario punched, and the bad thing is that Bramble fought a prime Rosario. but Bramble was prime also. no excuses. Bramble just was not good enough. I felt sorry for him though. His whole aura he tried to portray was toughness and then he was stopped where he stayed on the canvas the whole 10 seconds.

 

Rosario was one of the best fighters of the 80s, imo. He should have gotten the call against Camacho in their fight. He was a such a crushing puncher, they said that it was he who turned Camacho into a runner (imo, that's a bit of an exageration, Camacho already had those inclinations). It is a shame he ran into a prime Chavez when he did and then later dissipated himself with drugs, because he could have been even greater than he was. Still one of the top fighters of the 80s despite this - and yes, he had amazing power for a lightweight, much more than perhaps Bramble expected.

 

Then you blew your chance to make a LOT of money $$$......it was a no brain pick to go with Rosario.

 

No........ Camacho easily won 7 dull rds by boxing Rosario over the course of 12 rds on HBO back in 1986........... I have that on tape................ Rosario rocked Camacho a few times during the fight, but Camacho piled up the points overall..... Rosario was just a shade too slow against Camacho.....

MR.BILL:good:hey:bbb

 

I thought Rosario would win, but most people at the time saw Bramble as this tough guy who beat Mancini two times and who had a good chin, and Rosario as a guy who lost to Ramirez.