What do you guys think of Georges Carpentier?

Against Siki, Carpentier had been getting battered from pillar to post from the third round. His right eye was completely shut, his nose broken and he barely made it off his stool at the start of the 6th. Siki landed some big rights, legs got tangled (according to witnesses) and he went down. There was a claim of a trip but the judges reversed the refs decision of a foul.

In an interview a week later, George claims it was his own fault he lost and does not mention any fouling.

 

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No actually it wasn't, Levinsky was a busted flush.
Here is the proof an extract for Dempsey1234's excellent post!
Levinsky claimed it because he had taken a decision over Jack Dillon in 1916. But just how far Levinsky went back after beating Dillon in a decision in one of their many engagements is shown by his record.

From October, 1916 the date of the Dillon bout, to October, 1920, when he met Carpentier, Levinsky fought 52, ring battles, and won only six of them all on decisions.

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His real finish as a first-class boxer came when he was foolish enough to meet Jack Dempsey in 1918 and was knocked out in three rounds.

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When Levinsky fought Carpentier he was fat and slow and had lost all trace of the skill and dash of his earlier years in the ring.

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That's his only win of note at175lbs[/QUOTE]

 

In his autobiography Carpentier says Siki was afraid of him and to convince him to take the fight Carpentier and Deschamps agreed to carry him for 4 rounds then ko him with a not too heavy blow ,Deschamps had a contract with a film company and needed to have a few rounds of footage.
Once it was agreed Carpentier say he stopped training as it was to be a bagged fight.
Carpentier said when the fight started Siki, shaking with fright went down on one knee from a grazing blow,and was ordered up by the referee who said," get up you haven't been touched ". He said the referee warned Siki several times about not trying to fight,and that making a lot of unnecessary movements , trying to make it look good,made himself winded because he wasn't in shape.
The Frenchman said he saw an opening to finish things in the 4th but adhering to the script didn't take it,at that moment, he claims Siki threw a big swing that dropped him, he said it was a reflex punch born out of fear on the part of the Senegalese.Carp was down for 5 ,got up angry hit Siki with a big right hand ,but the punch was not delivered correctly and landed on Siki's head and his hand was damaged,Carp makes a racist remark about "hitting a Negro's head it tantamount to breaking your hand,and that between rounds Siki's manager urged him to double cross the one handed Carpentier.
Carp was down again in the 6th, his legs weak and wobbly.Deschamps threw in the towel but the referee who according to Carp had seen Siki deliberately trip him up ruled he was dsq'd with the agreement of the 3 judges.
Carp says the reaction from the crowd was so vociferous that the President of the French Boxing Federation had a brief conflab and overruled their decision,declaring Siki the winner.
That's Carpentier's version of events anyway.

 

There's little doubt Carpentier could punch with the right... but then, so could Donny Lalonde.

 

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Levinsky would not have still been champion if he had fought Greb in decision fights Greb beat him5 out of 5! As a boxing manager you know, or should do, that you can be flabby and without muscle tone and still be inside your weight class limit,indeed muscle weighs proportionally more than fat! Levinsky was well inside the LHvy limit a year prior to losing to Carpentier when he was thrashed by Harry Greb ,losing every round!
His condition is described as ,"none too good ,"yet his estimated weight was around 172lbs!

"Levinsky defends his World Light-Heavyweight title claim
Greb 162lbs won the newspaper decision. (Lima Times Democrat) The Pittsburgh Post report said that Levinsky's condition was none too good. Greb won every round, showering his man with blows, but these were not heavy punches. "Levinsky was in distress throughout and stalled through." Levinsky about ten pounds heavier."
An example
Max Baer vCarnera 209.5lbs
Max Baer v Jim Braddock 210.5lbs
Baer was described and confirmed that he was not in shape for Braddock yet he was only a pound more than when he beat Carnera?

 

mcvey,
Levinsky would not have still been champion if he had fought Greb in decision fights Greb beat him5 out of 5!

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As a boxing manager you know, or should do, that you can be flabby and without muscle tone and still be inside your weight class limit,indeed muscle weighs proportionally more than fat!

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Levinsky was well inside the LHvy limit a year prior to losing to Carpentier when he was thrashed by Harry Greb ,losing every round!

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His condition is described as ,"none too good ,"yet his estimated weight was around 172lbs!

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"Levinsky defends his World Light-Heavyweight title claim
Greb 162lbs won the newspaper decision. (Lima Times Democrat) The Pittsburgh Post report said that Levinsky's condition was none too good. Greb won every round, showering his man with blows, but these were not heavy punches. "Levinsky was in distress throughout and stalled through." Levinsky about ten pounds heavier."

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An example
Max Baer vCarnera 209.5lbs
Max Baer v Jim Braddock 210.5lbs
Baer was described and confirmed that he was not in shape for Braddock yet he was only a pound more than when he beat Carnera?

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"You're off your head" isn't even a saying. You suck at this.

 

Keep crying.

 

Siki to is a fun guy to watch, but yes he did kick Carpentier. There are a few versions of this film, and not every one of them shows the kick.

My take is Siki, though dirty would have won anyway. Carpentier is a fine boxer, but lacked the power to get Siki's respect, and was facing an opponent who liked to press the actions, which was a weakness of Carpentier.

In a modern time, Siki might lose via DQ.

 

Still licking your wounds I thought you might have got over your sulk,obviously not ,its of no consequence.
I was complimentary to you and your earlier posts , new information is always welcome.
You're arguing against contemporary quotes ,not me, I merely posted them I couldn't care less if you accept them.
I just posted them as a contribution to the discussion. Dago Wop stated Carpentier is a top 15 all time light heavyweight.I disagree and put up about 30 I think are better and why, he didn't respond but you want to take up the cudgel on another non- existant argument ?Well do it on your own schizo . I have no desire to spend any more time going back and forth with a nutcase.

 

The whole point is he was disqualified in that fight!

The President of the French Boxing Federation overruled the referee and three judges.Carpentier said it was to avoid a riot,I don't know if that is true or not.
Carpentier had limitations but lack of power at 175lbs was not one of them.
Have a look through Siki's record and point out the good wins he had.

 

Oh yeah I'm really distraught. How about you actually address the post and justify your statement that Carpentier is a top 15 all time light heavyweight based on one decent win over a past prime Battling Levinsky?
How about you tell us what Carpentier's 5 best wins are at light heavyweight?
If you can't manage that,[.and let's face it you thought I was referring to Billy Fox instead of Tiger Jack Fox when I put up about 30 175pounders who I said were better than Carpentier,] just give us 5 wins he actually had at 175lbs!
Do you think you could manage that instead of making puerile one liners ,or is it beyond your powers of evaluation?
Come on do the right thing, push your rectum back in and step up to the plate!