What do you honestly think of this?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by tommygun711, Mar 26, 2010.


  1. Johnboy2007

    Johnboy2007 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bodi gave you some sound advice and youve ignored it basically. Lol you asked for constructive criticism
     
  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Okay...
    Unless I'm going hitting the bag for stamina and strength or just to keep fit like the guy above said. :tong
    yeah, just kidding. But i honestly do spar differently then that. :thumbsup
     
  3. Johnboy2007

    Johnboy2007 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    okay up to you.... im out lol

    last thing if your doing it for fitness and stamina which do you find hard 2 mins sparring or 2 mins hitting the bag like your doing. Im guesssing you find sparring harder??? So wouldnt you want to make the bag work as realistic to sparring as possible as in movement pretending to slip a punch angles ect ect believe me its a hell of a lot more tiring mentally and physically than standing in front of a bag swinging away at it

    but like i said im out mate youve already made up your mind on how to do it before you posted you just wanted people to say wow your really good on the bag

    but non the less like i said good luck and keep working hard :good
     
  4. Kevin_Wright

    Kevin_Wright King of Awesomeland Full Member

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    I'm fairly new to boxing, but I would say slow down a little bit. Work on technique. Speed will come.
     
  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl
     
  6. Bodi

    Bodi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never mind "but this, that and the other... this bag doesn't attack" crap. Fact is, **** form is **** form period, **** tactics are **** tactics period, **** combinations are **** combinations period... what you are doing is ****, end of. I don't mean to come across hard on you but what you are doing and what you are saying is going to get you hurt in a very bad way.

    Fact is, you don't have the skills, knowledge or experience to tell me, or any of the other more well informed posters on here what is what. First thing that you need to do is listen... than you need to learn in a structured and controlled manner, which is starting off with your stance, which is ****, then your basic footwork, which is also ****, then your control of range, which is also ****, then your basic punch form, which is also ****, then your combinations, which are also ****, then your defence, which also appears to be ****... then you need to tie it all together and work on the bag keeping all of these factors in mind before you throw a single punch. I'm going to spell it out one more time for you... what you are doing is utter shite, and you need to cut it our before the bad habits which you are already displaying become ingrained.

    What you need to do is read this message very closely (and most of the others), go away and digest what has been said to you, and then go and apply the information that has been given to you. Also, stop coming out with excuses like "this bag doesn't do this, that and the other" - fact is, with the form that you are displaying, you have absolutely no business hitting ANY bag - sort your form with SLOW and controlled SHADOWBOXING.

    If you choose not to heed this advice, please let me know when your first fight is so I can bet my lifetimes savings on you getting sparked with an uppercut.

    Once again, apologies if this comes across as harsh, but boxing is a brutal, unforgiving sport, so sometimes one has to be cruel to be kind.
     
  7. Johnboy2007

    Johnboy2007 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would go one further on the advice side and say for now take the bag down get a big mirror and use that space in your house to shadow box and more shadow boxing. And when you think your good enough to go on the bag .... dont just shadow box lol
     
  8. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    I doubt it
    welll..... in that case thanks your your criticism.. Jesus:yep..

    I said Ali had no ingame because it seemed like every time someone came close to him like joe frazier he would hold his head down and clinch. That's not really in fighting. He fought at a distance and moved away with his jab.
     
  9. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    Agreed. It could be any other punch really.
     
  10. Bodi

    Bodi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :rofl

    I have to beg to differ on this one though, RDJ. There is no way that it could be a jab or straight right as one would need to back up to make the room to throw it, and as this boy clearly suggests, boxers can only move in one direction... forwards. I still maintain it will be an uppercut, but a short hook might also be on the agenda.
     
  11. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Laughing my ass off reading this, but keep in mind he's just a kid. That said, he ALSO needs to keep in mind that he's just a kid. Bad habits are almost impossible to cure, and every time you do something wrong it's going to bite you in the ass a few years down the road or sooner.

    'Inside fighting' isn't necessarily synonymous with 'throwing hooks.' You want to lean forward with your chin tucked and throw quick, short, sharp punches. You're leaning backwards and winging big, slow, wide shots. See how the bag swings all around? It isn't because you're hitting it hard, it's A.) because it's too high, and B.) because you're pushing your punches. Once you start fighting the bag like a real opponent inside, it will barely move, and that's a good thing.

    I stand by my original prescription: More time with a trainer. You should work the bag in front of him a lot so he can steer you in the right direction. You should be doing most if not all of your boxing WITH YOUR TRAINER PRESENT. If you still have energy to hit the bag on your own, then you didn't do enough in the gym ;) Nothing wrong with a little shadowboxing and HEAD MOVEMENT while you're at home though.
     
  12. Bodi

    Bodi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kids that don't listen grow up to be adults who can't string a sentence together past the age of 30. Like I said, boxing can be a cruel and unforgiving sport. Far too many people come into boxing with an attitude of 'I know best'... you always see these kids later in life and they amount to nothing more than punchbags.. journeymen fighters who routinely take bad beatings for a paycheck that doesn't usually cover their medical expenses. This kid has been given solid advice by a number of people, yet he keeps coming back with excuses... he has to listen, otherwise he will get hurt.

    This kid has age on his side. He has a chance to learn, and possibly get somewhere, but he isn't going to do it with his attitude.
     
  13. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Yeah i intentionally started this early in boxing so i can get rid of these supposed bad habits quickly
     
  14. Bodi

    Bodi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, it appears that we are getting somewhere... good.

    Couple of points for you:

    You don't come into boxing with bad habits - most people start boxing with no idea of proper form - there is a big difference. The bad habits that you have are most likely are result of either a poor trainer/no trainer or you are not listening to your trainer/advice.

    You only get rid of bad habits by going back to the basics, and rebuilding, but even this is not easy. How quickly you get rid of these bad habits depends on how quickly you acknowledge them, and stop training with poor form - this is why I said that you need to cut out the excuses... a punchbag doesn't give you bad form... you not knowing how to punch properly, and then repeatedly punching with improper form is where you reinforce poor form.

    I'll give it one more go at giving you advice that will set you on the right path. Completely disregard everything that you are doing, and ask you coach to sort your stance... don't need a punchbag for your stance, just focus on remaining in a good, well balanced, strong stance. Then start moving one step at a time until you can work your way comfortably around a ring whilst remaining completely on balance. Just keep in your mind, step, slide and pivot. Remain in guard as you move. I'll leave it there as you don't need to be looking to progress any further until you have these points down to a fine art - you need to feel co-ordinated and in control of every movement. Once you are competent at moving, then look at some jabs, but not before.

    For your fitness, plenty of running and bodyweight exercises will be ample for you. Also maintain your agility through agility drills and don't forget flexibility as it is massively important.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Really? That is all you see when you watch an Ali fight?

    That is a past prime Ali, and what he did on the inside was effective, is smothering your opponent not a tactic, therefore an inside game. Also he used to flurry on the inside more often that not.

    Well listen to the adivce, in this thread you are just making excuses for bad habits and not adressing them. You think Mayweather got to where he was by making excuses?

    Excellant post.