What do you think Callum Smith's chances are?

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  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I guess that tactic paid off because he completely dominated him and beat him from pillar to post.

    That Canelo is a sly one.
     
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  2. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Once a powder puff always a powder puff. That does not change just because you go up 7 pounds. The way some people view boxing always amazes me.
     
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  3. jquest

    jquest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You obviously haven't seen Callum fight before he fought Ryder or Canelo. At SMW he was very busy with the jab and he can fight long. He's tall and is rubbish in close which is why Ryder was having success. He hasn't fought great opposition the last few years however I think he has a better chance to topple Beterbiev at this stage of their respective careers than Beterbiev's last few opponents. I'm predicting Beterbiev KO in 9 but part of me after watching the Yarde fight again thinks Beterbiev is nearing the end. Phenomenal fighter and I wish we could have seen him fight more often when he was younger.
     
  4. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly

    Smith is just spending LESS time (6 hours or so) cutting weight than we was before.

    His training will still be the same.

    Look how many times he misses that left hook too and how little thought goes into his craft. He is a reactive fighter who has been a weight and size bully for many years and gotten comfortable in that role
     
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  5. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Absolutely, everyone knew it was in the pipeline.
    Absolutely, every man and his dog, knew it was in the pipeline.
    Smith was an extremely lucky alphabet holder, winning it from a compromised Groves, then the Ryder “win!”
    Perhaps they’re banking on the injury prone, Beterbiev, to be similarly compromised!
    Let’s hope he’s fully fit, and then onto the main event, Bivol.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, I'm not giving Ryder too much credit because he's short and a southpaw. I'm giving him a ton of credit because he's an exceptional boxer, always has been, and has consistently been one of the most underrated talents in the sport. Ryder has never been beaten up in his career. What the **** are you talking about? He got caught against Blackwell, in a match that he was winning handily beforehand. That Howard Foster stoppage was a terrible one. In no other match than against Canelo was Ryder even close to dominated. Every loss on his record is a controversial one, and why is that? Because he's a defensively sound underrated technician and a top tier pressure fighter, who's hard to hit and tends to excel against bigger guys, because he can use his stance and how compact he is to his advantage far more impressively. Clearly you haven't seen many John Ryder matches, I've seen his last 25 or so matches, give or take one or two of the jobbers he beat. So YEAH, that's why he performed well against Smith, that's why I picked him to perform well against Smith. Because he can get in close and take away all of his advantages, most of which revolve around him fighting long. Are people really so simple minded that they can't remember anything before a bad performance or two? Clearly Callum was reaching the end of the line at 168 by the time he took those two on, and he had less sting on his punches, and he was drained and easier to bully.

    Also, as far as his loss against Canelo goes, it's Canelo, in recent years, who hasn't he bullied aside from GGG? And why is that? Because Canelo's head movement is exceptional, and he's incredibly hard to hit clean, he brings suffocating pressure, preventing Callum from getting full extension on his shots, again like Ryder taking his main advantages away. Yes, Beterbiev is a great pressure fighter, but he's not a hard target to find, and fighters can keep him at range for extended periods. Gvozdyk did it, Yarde did it and even a schlub like Browne did it early. Beterbiev isn't the same fighter he once was. Do any of you really think Yarde would've lasted 8 or ****ing Adam Deines would've almost gone the distance against Beterbiev from 2015? Of course not. Callum is bigger possibly as strong, and is hitting much harder at 175. Sending Lenin Castillo into convulsions is proof of that. He will land on Beterbiev a lot, the question is, can Beterbiev at almost 40 years of age still be able to take it? Because I'm pretty sure if Browne lasted 9, Yarde lasted 8 and Deines lasted 10, then Smith, whose more durable than those three and whose jab, left hook and straight right are spiteful to give Beterbiev plenty of pause, can as well. But I'm entirely sure Artur will.
     
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  7. grantsorenson

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    Beterbiev is going to control when they engage and when they have exchanges. I also think he can get to Smith with some lead punches from the outside and off his jab. Some people get how average Smith is, others don't. He's basic in a lot of what he does. Even if he catches Beterbiev with a left hook, I'd fancy beterbiev to get through it. If Beterbiev hurts him to though, he will fold mentally and go into survival mode again. The problem is that Beterbiev will stop him thoufh
     
  8. African Cobra

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    Mundo’s chances are slim and none and I hear slim has left town.
     
  9. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    If King Artur shows up he will ravage the overrated Smith.
     
  10. Fisty_Cuffs_21

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    Mate, I've watched most of his fights; followed his career. Maybe I was a bit OTT in saying nonexistent jab, but the point is, his jab isn't great - it looks short, crooked and relatively slow - and it is underused. Fair enough, his style isn't to use his jab that much, but I dunno, I think it's a waste for him not to use it and spells trouble at the world class level, IMO. He doesn't really set much up with his jab. I'll eat humble pie if I'm wrong.
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Most of them, including Liam and Paul Smith, citing Beterbiev being old/really old, having declined because of Father Time catching up with him, and the timing being right

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    ''As weird as this sounds. I think Beterbiev is in for a tough fight vs Callum Smith. I’m not saying he loses but I think Smith’s catch and counter style can have success vs a midrange engaging puncher. Let me explain. Smith's catch and counter is usually a LEFT HOOK. He catches the opponent's right hand with his left hand, then he turns over a fast nasty left hook. Beterbiev throws a looping right hand often. It's probably his best shot. So the shot that Beterbiev loves to throw, is the shot that Smith waits on to counter''

    ''Stephen ''Breadman'' Edwards
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    One thing I will say. Why in god's name do so many bang on about Beterbiev being ''vulnerable'' because he's been down before? He's been down twice, the first time of which clearly a balance issue after being shoved off balance and then he got caught with a sneaky shot as his feet weren't under him, and the other against massive puncher Callum Johnson whose hooks sound as meaty and loud as HW punches :facepalm:

    Beterbiev has fought lots of big punchers

    Gvozdyk
    Joe Smith
    Callum Johnson
    Cloud
    Yarde
    Hot Rod (14 KO 1s)
    Browne
    Prieto

    We don't hear this ''vulnerable'' talk about many other world champions and P4P stars who've been dropped before even ones who've barely fought any punchers let alone massive bangers like Johnson
     
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  13. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They're hoping and PRAYING that Beterbiev gets old over night and Callum can get him with a well timed hook.

    I think Beterbiev will set traps and Smith walks into one and goes down and struggles to get his balance.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    They are banking on that but to be fair they do have a very valid point. Beterbiev is 39 years old in two weeks, he has been fighting and training since he was 9 y/o, he is past his prime, he does have a ton of miles on the clock and wear and tear on his body, he does have a very aggressive style and has taken a ton of punishment during his amateur and pro career and in the gym too, he has become very injury prone, and history has shown us time and time again that fighters do get old overnight at around his age or even younger, and fighters with his style are very rarely not burnt out by his age, younger or much younger.

    Again, I'm picking him to knock Smith out but if he doesn't get old overnight next week it's very likely going to happen very soon. You keep facing big punchers and you're playing Russian roulette. But at 39 y/o you're playing with more than one bullet in the chambers. Smith hits really hard, is fast and very crafty, sets traps himself, is very well schooled, and looks lethal at this weight so he's well qualified to be the right man in the right place and time if indeed age has taken its toll on Beterbiev.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    Beterbiev is not the guy he was ten years ago, when he was a feared monster punching holes in the division.

    I'd say he hasn't looked his best since 2019 which is 5 years ago now.

    That being said he still looks like he's the best LHW around today, and he really turned it up when he fought Joe Smith Jr to unify the belts.

    The issue is every fight he gets a bit more older and a bit more wore torn and at some point it has to tell.

    I hope, for his sake he gets his full unification against Bivol before the year is out because he can't have much longer at the top level.

    Smith, Bivol, Canelo would be a great end to his career and would solidify a great resume and a great run at the top of the division.
     
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