What do you think of these statements?

Can't be stuffed putting together separate threads for these statements, nor can I be bothered reading lengthy replies, so a simple 'agree', 'disagree' or 'unsure' answer will suffice here.


Here are the statements:



1) Barry McGuigan was a better fighter than Ricky Hatton all things considered

2) Buddy McGirt vs. Harold Brazier would have been the best technical fight seen at 140 in the last 30 years

3) Ernesto Marcel would have walked into the 80's, 90's or 2000's featherweight scene and locked it down like Joseph Fritzl did his daughter

4) Johnny Famechon would have been in the top handful of fighters p4p today

5) Kid Gavilan was more naturally talented than Sugar Ray Leonard

6) Henry Armstrong would not have been considered a top 20 fighter all time had he had to come through the Williams/Jack/Mongomery/Angott/Joyce/Dawson era of lightweights in his prime

7) Harry Greb beat a lot of great fighters, but there is no guarantee he beats the really elite fighters around his weight (e.g. Hagler, Monzon, Langford) and so his standing as a top 5 p4p fighter is a little suspect

8 ) Jose Legra would have beaten Barrera, Morales and Marquez

9) Floyd Mayweather is amongst the best 20 fighters of all time in a h2h sense

10) Willie Pep would have been Vicente Saldivar's *****

11) Miguel Canto could not deal with the mixture of speed, aggression and intuition that Jung Koo Chang brings to the table

12) Julio Cesar Chavez would have beaten Carlos Ortiz and Alexis Arguello

13) Charley Burley at his best beats the likes of Kid Gavilan, Luis Rodriguez and Jose Napoles at their best

14) Tommy Hearns was more of a handful for welterweights than he was for junior middleweights, despite improving his strength and physicality at 154

15) Bernard Hopkins would lose to Gene Fullmer peak vs. peak

16) Simon Brown would have beat Manny Pacquiao at welterweight

17) Micky Ward had the best left rip to the body of all time and I'm afraid to admit it because he was so mediocre as a fighter

18 ) Jake Lamotta was good enough to beat Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon

19) Rocky Marciano takes anyone sub 200 pounds in the history of the sport

20) Freddie Dawson would have been every bit as great as a Duilio Loi or Nicolino Locche if he had the luxury of milking home town fights

21) Jim Driscoll caught Abe Attell unawares and would have been exposed as nothing more than a Ricky Hatton level fighter had he stayed and spent his prime in the States

22) Dwight Qawi would have pushed Larry's **** in had he moved up in 85.

23) Mike Tyson was exposed for having natural limitations rather than being brought down through environmental factors

24) Eder Jofre would have beaten Ruben Olivares because even though Ruben was smoother and probably the harder hitter, Jofre simply had more ticker

25) Nino Benvenuti would have been knocked out cold by Julian Jackson

26) Billy Graham would have beat Terry Norris

27) Joey Archer would have a decent chance of winning a decision against the Roy Jones that Bernard Hopkins fought

28 ) Jeff Fenech would have taken both Harada and Jofre at 118, despite being ranked quite a bit below both

29) Harold Johnson beats both Victor Galindez and John Conteh

30) Michael Spinks beats Ezzard Charles more often than not at either light heavy or heavy

 

So I take it you disagree with statement 3?

 

How about the rest?

 

:good

 

Cheers, and at Prikopil'd.

 

To answer my own statements:


1) Barry McGuigan was a better fighter than Ricky Hatton all things considered Agreed

2) Buddy McGirt vs. Harold Brazier would have been the best technical fight seen at 140 in the last 30 years Agreed - Pea-Brazier was a flat out outclassing and didn't give Harold a chance to showcase his technical ability.

3) Ernesto Marcel would have walked into the 80's, 90's or 2000's featherweight scene and locked it down like Joseph Fritzl did his daughter - Agreed - I think he beats Sanchez and Pedroza and any other featherweight since them


4) Johnny Famechon would have been in the top handful of fighters p4p today Agreed - I don't think there are five better fighters out there at the moment



5) Kid Gavilan was more naturally talented than Sugar Ray Leonard - Unsure, I think Kid is close if not on par

6) Henry Armstrong would not have been considered a top 20 fighter all time had he had to come through the Williams/Jack/Mongomery/Angott/Joyce/Dawson era of lightweights in his prime - If he couldn't overcome Williams I don't think he'd be top 20 today, and he surely wasn't beating some of the welterweights of that period. I'm leaning towards Williams in that fight ever so slightly at the moment

7) Harry Greb beat a lot of great fighters, but there is no guarantee he beats the really elite fighters around his weight (e.g. Hagler, Monzon, Langford) and so his standing as a top 5 p4p fighter is a little suspect - Disagree - I rank him #1 all time, but it still bothers me that he may not have beaten men like Monzon and Hagler.

8 ) Jose Legra would have beaten Barrera, Morales and Marquez - Agree - I'd favour him, but he is not above them as far as level goes

9) Floyd Mayweather is amongst the best 20 fighters of all time in a h2h sense Disagree - but he's not too far away

10) Willie Pep would have been Vicente Saldivar's ***** - Unsure

11) Miguel Canto could not deal with the mixture of speed, aggression and intuition that Jung Koo Chang brings to the table - Disagree - I think Canto would find a way to take him

12) Julio Cesar Chavez would have beaten Carlos Ortiz and Alexis Arguello - Agree, but tough, tough fights

13) Charley Burley at his best beats the likes of Kid Gavilan, Luis Rodriguez and Jose Napoles at their best - Unsure, haven't seen Charley at his best

14) Tommy Hearns was more of a handful for welterweights than he was for junior middleweights, despite improving his strength and physicality at 154 - Agree, even though more welterweights than junior middles would beat him. As the cobra said, welter is stronger

15) Bernard Hopkins would lose to Gene Fullmer peak vs. peak - Agree

16) Simon Brown would have beat Manny Pacquiao at welterweight - Unsure, but one thing is for certain he's a step up from anyone Pac has fought so far at welter

17) Micky Ward had the best left rip to the body of all time and I'm afraid to admit it because he was so mediocre as a fighter - Unsure, but whose was better? Personally, I don't feel Chavez's left was any better

18 ) Jake Lamotta was good enough to beat Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon - Agree, but would lose more often than not

19) Rocky Marciano takes anyone sub 200 pounds in the history of the sport - Agree

20) Freddie Dawson would have been every bit as great as a Duilio Loi or Nicolino Locche if he had the luxury of milking home town fights - Interesting one, I haven't seen enough of Dawson to say, but i wouldn't be surprised

21) Jim Driscoll caught Abe Attell unawares and would have been exposed as nothing more than a Ricky Hatton level fighter had he stayed and spent his prime in the States - Disagree - Driscoll had a lot more ability than Hatton, but at the same time, I'm not sure how well he would have faired in a tougher American scene

22) Dwight Qawi would have pushed Larry's **** in had he moved up in 85. - Unsure, Larry was ready to be taken though. Depends on how good a shape Qawi came in.

23) Mike Tyson was exposed for having natural limitations rather than being brought down through environmental factors - Agree

24) Eder Jofre would have beaten Ruben Olivares because even though Ruben was smoother and probably the harder hitter, Jofre simply had more ticker - Agree

25) Nino Benvenuti would have been knocked out cold by Julian Jackson - Unsure, and agree with the cobra here

26) Billy Graham would have beat Terry Norris - Disagree

27) Joey Archer would have a decent chance of winning a decision against the Roy Jones that Bernard Hopkins fought - Unsure - I definitely think he does better than Bernard, though

28 ) Jeff Fenech would have taken both Harada and Jofre at 118, despite being ranked quite a bit below both - Harada maybe, Jofre probably grinds him down though with power shots.

29) Harold Johnson beats both Victor Galindez and John Conteh - Agree, but edging them both

30) Michael Spinks beats Ezzard Charles more often than not at either light heavy or heavy - Disagree

 

Thanks mate, interested in your thoughts when you have the time :good

 

Cheers for the replies guys :good