What do you think of these statements?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Indeed. My instinct is telling me to pick McFarland to outpoint both, but to put it into arguments would require a lot of efforts.
     
  3. teeto

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    1) Barry McGuigan was a better fighter than Ricky Hatton all things considered- ok, both aren't top tier, one is a world class pressure fighter and one is a world class slugger imo, on film I think the slugging of McGuigan looks quality against his best opponents in Pedroza and LaPorte, and better than Hatton's pressure style, but i also want to give Hatton the benefit of the doubt because it ultimately took two great fighters to outclass him. McGuigan looks better to me though and that is the question, so
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    2) Buddy McGirt vs. Harold Brazier would have been the best technical fight seen at 140 in the last 30 years- I mean I loved Montiel-Johnson, but admittedly I haven't seen enough of Brazier, so i'm not at liberty to say.
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    3) Ernesto Marcel would have walked into the 80's, 90's or 2000's featherweight scene and locked it down like Joseph Fritzl did his daughter-
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    4) Johnny Famechon would have been in the top handful of fighters p4p today- don't see any reason why he wouldn't be top ten, on TOP TEN basis i'll say
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    5) Kid Gavilan was more naturally talented than Sugar Ray Leonard-
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    6) Henry Armstrong would not have been considered a top 20 fighter all time had he had to come through the Williams/Jack/Mongomery/Angott/Joyce/Dawson era of lightweights in his prime- He'd be top ten lightweight if he fought in that era most likely, because it would be him or Williams emerging numero uno of the division, i have to say no though, to the statement, because he'd simply be picking up wins and losses, more wins than losses imo, and he is currently rated so high because of his weight jumping achievements, i don't see why he still doesn't do so even with this task at hand-
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    7) Harry Greb beat a lot of great fighters, but there is no guarantee he beats the really elite fighters around his weight (e.g. Hagler, Monzon, Langford) and so his standing as a top 5 p4p fighter is a little suspect- it's not guaranteed he beats any of them, agree-
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    , his standing being suspect-
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    8 ) Jose Legra would have beaten Barrera, Morales and Marquez-
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    , he could certainly give Morales a nightmare with his style, but the three of them without picking up a loss, nah

    9) Floyd Mayweather is amongst the best 20 fighters of all time in a h2h sense-
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    , There are too many fighters to consider

    10) Willie Pep would have been Vicente Saldivar's *****-
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    , he has that Saddler element about him, but Pep is much better naturally in terms of mobility than someone like Winstone

    11) Miguel Canto could not deal with the mixture of speed, aggression and intuition that Jung Koo Chang brings to the table- I'll say
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    , this is not a one sided fight though, Canto is a better fighter than Zapata and a better technician, Chang becomes more familiar with classical counter punching than ever before, but he wins for me

    12) Julio Cesar Chavez would have beaten Carlos Ortiz and Alexis Arguello- I think he could outwork Ortiz, and Ortiz is basically my guy at 135, i've got him beating Williams and having the best shot at Whitaker most probably, but at this weight i think he just brings that tenacity to the point where he could do it, Chavez has a good defence, and as much as his chin is the **** he would need that defence against Arguello, Ortiz could beat Chavez, but Chavez could beat him too,
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    13) Charley Burley at his best beats the likes of Kid Gavilan, Luis Rodriguez and Jose Napoles at their best- Gavilan is the spanner in the works for me, at his best his workrate is no joke, Rodriguez could do that to, buti think Burley's style can offset the most cpmfortable Rodriguez in boxing mode. Napoles-Burley at 147 is a toss up for me, both men don't bring the style to really offset the other.
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    14) Tommy Hearns was more of a handful for welterweights than he was for junior middleweights, despite improving his strength and physicality at 154- more of a 'handful'?
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    15) Bernard Hopkins would lose to Gene Fullmer peak vs. peak-
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    16) Simon Brown would have beat Manny Pacquiao at welterweight- Sweet Pea posted a vid ages ago about the false perception of Simon Brown, displaying his technical proficiency. Big shout out to 'Sweet Pea', you all know what i mean. Anyway,
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    17) Micky Ward had the best left rip to the body of all time and I'm afraid to admit it because he was so mediocre as a fighter- the statement is too strong for me, but i'll say
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    on the basis that his is in contention with the very best and could be the one

    18 ) Jake Lamotta was good enough to beat Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon- I've got Monzon,
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    19) Rocky Marciano takes anyone sub 200 pounds in the history of the sport- It's too strong a stemement for me, I believe this statement to be true on a personal level, look up my posting history, he is the definition of a head to head nightmare, this is my long standing strong opinion, but the statement is too strong, this makes him probably the best fighter ever, i must back down
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    20) Freddie Dawson would have been every bit as great as a Duilio Loi or Nicolino Locche if he had the luxury of milking home town fights- don't know enough SS,
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    21) Jim Driscoll caught Abe Attell unawares and would have been exposed as nothing more than a Ricky Hatton level fighter had he stayed and spent his prime in the States-
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    22) Dwight Qawi would have pushed Larry's **** in had he moved up in 85.-
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    23) Mike Tyson was exposed for having natural limitations rather than being brought down through environmental factors- a bit of both, Buster Douglas beat prime Tyson, that is fact.
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    , big shout out to Tyson, my ****ing hero

    24) Eder Jofre would have beaten Ruben Olivares because even though Ruben was smoother and probably the harder hitter, Jofre simply had more ticker- Jofre for me, only because i just don't picture the Lionel Rose job happening to him, and it would probably need to happen that way. I watched Jofre-Harada 1, and even though Harada won it for me, as for everyone else, i was in awe of Jofre when he was doing his thing-
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    25) Nino Benvenuti would have been knocked out cold by Julian Jackson- Whagt is it with these strong staments, this **** is hard, Jackson could definitely ko him,it doesn't mean he does, whatever,
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    26) Billy Graham would have beat Terry Norris-
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    , sorry

    27) Joey Archer would have a decent chance of winning a decision against the Roy Jones that Bernard Hopkins fought-
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    28 ) Jeff Fenech would have taken both Harada and Jofre at 118, despite being ranked quite a bit below both-
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    , very interesting on a Harada fight though, would this be the foil for him? Hmmm

    29) Harold Johnson beats both Victor Galindez and John Conteh- Him and Conteh, oh what a fight, that would be a better technical fight than McGirt-Brazier possibly. I like Galindez though, he'd be ridiculously hard to time and go to work on methodically.
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    30) Michael Spinks beats Ezzard Charles more often than not at either light heavy or heavy -
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    , hard for me though