What do you think should be the punishment for PED disgraces in the Sport?

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  1. Super Hans

    Super Hans The Super One™ banned

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    What's your thoughts on Ward, Hopkins and Broner refusing to take the test? Or is that OK with you because they are black people? :think
     
  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    None. They didn't stand to make 60+ mil. And what test and against who are you talking about:lol::lol::lol:???
     
  3. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    im not sure if this is 100% correct but didnt rodriquez demand it after the contract had been drawn up and signed by both parties ?
     
  4. Super Hans

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    Broner refused testing v Malignaggi, Ward v Rodriguez, Hopkins v Pascal.

    Unlike Mayweather their opponents fought them anyway.
     
  5. Super Hans

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    But if Ward had nothing to hide why not just take the test. Google this article 'why is Ward so testy about testing'
     
  6. bobotnaman

    bobotnaman ★★★★☆ Full Member

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    how about a PED that is only legal (illegal everywhere) in one state, and a fighter that only fights on that state?
     
  7. Super Hans

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    It's practically legal in Cali. That's why Ward doesn't want to fight anywhere else. Look at some of the stunts the commission tried to pull for the Porter v Brook fight and where random drug testing was demanded they basically allowed Porter to finish his cycle before they tested him. :-(
     
  8. BlizzyBlizz

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    So nobody got tested?:lol: who offered these tests and why did the fights still go on lol...:lol:
     
  9. BlizzyBlizz

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    Somebody has to be able to afford paying for testing. Promoters don't want to pay for this.
     
  10. repsaccer

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    Newer drug testing methods, and stricter policies mean you can't get
    away with the same drugs you got away with before, also you need
    even better medical supervision to pull it off. So it would be highly
    likely that rich countries, like the UK, would do better under the
    assumption of widespread drug use, since they can afford and could
    have access to cutting edge drugs.

    Slogans like ZERO TOLERANCE ON DOPING, are just that, slogans,
    mottos , advertising. Marketing to keep the public going. And to keep
    making money.

    Of course it could be that less drugs mean a relatively better
    performing UK because frankly all Brits and (Northern) Irish are saints.

    I am dutch myself, we have very strict doping policies for our top
    athletes, similar to the UK. And for the small number of inhabitants we
    have we always do pretty well in many sports. But do I think the
    dutch athletes are any cleaner? No. They are well informed, have
    access to specialized medical care and are able to buy whatever they
    would want to use. As I see it, it is the same in the UK.

    But to each their own opinion.
     
  11. Super Hans

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    Your clutching at straws fella. It's the cultural differences and thoughts on cheating. If you was from the UK you'd understand how despised it is. Once WADA took over drug testing in the Olympics in 1999 and leveled the playing field...lo and behold we go shooting up the medal table.

    And if 'rich countries like the UK' are smarter than others so juice better, than why have so many Americans been caught.

    Thus "Zero tolerance on doping' is not a slogan, samples are kept for eight years and are retested as drug testing methods improve, so in theory people could still fail it now. Do some research into your posts.
     
  12. Super Hans

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    No randomly tested no. The person who offered them was the fighter who's not the black American.

    Notice how you think it's fine for Mayweather to ask for random testing when its not an African American they are disgraceful.
     
  13. Imperial1

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    Is it legal in New Jersey as well ? Because the S6 finally was in AC ..I find it funny that you think you know what states do when it comes to testing sounds more like your just making **** up !

    And just read this zero tolerance huh this guy was allowed to be back in the ring after being loaded to,the gills !


    Olubamiwo's nickname is 'War Machine'. But conventional warfare, the ancient duel of skill and fists and will, was not enough: he deployed chemical weapons too – including EPO, human-growth hormone, steroids and plenty more besides. After he was banned, having admitted using 13 illegal substances, the UK Anti-Doping chief executive, Andy Parkinson, called him "an extreme example of someone who has engaged in an intentional and uncompromising doping programme".

    But a few days ago, without stink or fuss or fury, Olubamiwo was given his licence back after serving just one year of his suspension. On 29 June he will return at his old battle ground, the York Hall in Bethnal Green, swinging bloodily and crudely and probably recording his 11th victory in 14 fights.



    50-inch chest. Last year, he claimed that "a large minority" of boxers in the UK were taking drugs. "I'm saying this because I have seen people, boxers, buying stuff from the same guy that I've bought stuff from," he said. "I have spoken to boxers who are telling me they've done this; they've done that. If I was to mention names, it would blow your socks off "

    There is another worry in the Olubamiwo case: that he has juicier information which he is keeping close to his 50-inch chest. Last year, he claimed that "a large minority" of boxers in the UK were taking drugs. "I'm saying this because I have seen people, boxers, buying stuff from the same guy that I've bought stuff from," he said. "I have spoken to boxers who are telling me they've done this; they've done that. If I was to mention names, it would blow people's socks off."

    But we know it's more rampant in the states:patsch
     
  14. Matt in a hat

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    I think the smarter guys will forever be ahead of the curve and won't get busted anyway. Luis Ortiz for instance was either very dumb or really did eat horse meat? Deca is probably the single most easily detectable steroid ever made!
    I'm thinking the horse meat story is fabrication as they should alow for the trace amounts you get from the animal.
    On the other hand many of the greatest probably used diuretics and amphetimines and perhaps steroids during the long period before there was regular testing.
    Now today is no different. The smart guys just use the good stuff u can't test for.
    Ethics will forever be long out the window with so much money on the table. Everyone should quit throwing stones like we are all so perfect and wouldn't try to level the playing field themselves if in the same position.
     
  15. Serge

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    When asked if he felt his ban of four years fit his crime, Olubamiwo insisted, “No, to be fair I don’t. First of all, looking at the other sanctions that the bigger-named guys had, it’s not fair. And a lot of people have made a big deal of me making a big deal about that, saying, ‘Well, it doesn’t matter; you’ve still broken the rules.’ But at the end of the day, these are the guys that we look up to. When I was younger or just getting into boxing, I’d look at guys like James Toney, Roy Jones, guys that are at the pinnacle of our sport. And you see that they’re using things and I think to myself, well, first of all, I have to use these things to get to the top or get to a stage where you can make some money. Second of all, if you do get caught, the sanctions are not likely to be that severe, so therefore, you can still get on with your career as these guys have done. So that was my thinking at the time. That was my mind frame at the time.

    “I would estimate worldwide…if I’m talking about the U.K., I would say 30 percent,” said Olubamiwo. “Worldwide, I would think it’s a lot higher than that. A lot higher than that and I’m being conservative with my estimate because what people need to understand is that, in the U.K. at least, if you aren’t fighting for a British title [afterward], you don’t get tested. You [do not] get tested, it is as simple as that. So there is nothing to stop anyone from using up to the British title level. And this is why I was able to get away with it for so long because I hadn’t fought for a British title but [I fought for regional titles] and had title eliminators. I had an English title eliminator that I was not tested for. I had an International Masters title fight which I won and wasn’t tested for.”

    Despite being based in the U.K., Larry has trained in the U.S., most notably at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood, CA. While he did not name specific gyms or fighters, Olubamiwo painted a picture of a hidden brotherhood, probably not unlike those found in any other sport, in which drug use is openly discussed.

    “A lot of people will give me a lot of stink, especially [in the U.K.] because I keep saying this. Because they believe there are only 10 percent of guys doing it. And I accept that there aren’t probably as many guys doing it in the U.K. as there are in the U.S. but there is a large minority,” he said. “And I’m not saying this because I’m trying to lessen the attention on myself. I’m saying this because I have seen people, boxers, buying stuff from the same guy that I’ve bought stuff from