What does “Real World Champion” mean to you, historically?

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What does “Real World Champion” mean to you, historically?

  1. Lineal champion

  2. Major organizational - WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, NYSAC, NBA - world champion

  3. The best organizational champion at any given time

  4. Any organizational championship

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  1. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As the thread title says…
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One usually kn I ws who the top dog is in a given division. I pay little attention to "lineal" this or that.
     
  3. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Guess it is just something you "Know" like AJ being the man right now.
     
  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Two parts:

    1) The guy who is retrospectively accepted as champion by the overwhelming majority of current boxing historians.

    2) Provided that the modern consensus overlaps with public opinion in the champion's era reasonably well.


    So Wlad was a champion, even before he got all the belts, arguably. Holmes was a champion even though he dropped some belts. Sometime between 67 and 71, Frazier became champ, even though he wasn't lineal. Johnson was champion when he beat Burns, even though Jeffries retired undefeated.

    By contrast, Firpo could never become champion, even if ultra-revisionist nutcases took over IBRO, because nobody at the time accepted his claim.
     
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  5. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    For me it is the man who beats the man who beats the man, the lineal champion.
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Normally the man who beat the man.
     
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  7. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    an Honest & Earned Career leading to said Title and always fighting the Contenders you are expected too.

    no fighter can fight everybody, especially in the last 50 years with 25 - 40 fight careers, but IF you're not meeting the True TOP Contenders to get there, you're NO Champion!
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't think of a case when having unified all the belts wasn't enough, but I don't think you always have to. Holmes was champion with just one belt, Holy was champion after beating Bowe even though the WBC wasn't included and Lewis continued being champion after losing some belts.

    I wouldn't say lineal is always enough, though. Wouldn't call Cotto or Briggs the champion for example and wouldn't call Fury the champion now.
     
  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    A legit claim to being the man to beat
     
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  10. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Artur Grigorian - WBO lightweight champion in the 1990s and 6th greatest lightweight of all time (Duran is 8th). That's as real as it gets.
     
  11. jont

    jont Active Member Full Member

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    in today's world.... nothing
     
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  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There should only be ONE champ. The man who beat the man…period. Lineal all day
     
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  13. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    The one Champion (in his weight class) of the one world (planet earth) who is the man to beat. Just like in a movie: Rocky Balboa who has to face Apollo Creed.