What does Anthony Joshua need to do to be named greatest heavyweight of all time?

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  1. James Smith

    James Smith Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Showing how weak your argument is when you have to pull out names like that.

    In reality it includes Wlad, Tyson Fury, Povetkin, Wilder, Parker, Ortiz etc
     
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  2. James Smith

    James Smith Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And why do you think that is?
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    You listed:
    -Wladimir, the 40 year old that is retired and will never fight again, who I named
    -Tyson Fury, a retired guy that will never fight again, who Joshua has not fought
    -Povetkin, a near 40 year old, busted with PED's, who Joshua has not fought
    -Wilder, one of the more basic and unproven title holders ever, who Joshua has not fought
    -Parker, a pretty basic and unproven title holder, who Joshua has not fought
    -Ortiz, a 40 year old, busted with PED's, who Joshua has not fought

    I thought we were talking about the state of the division and Joshua being able to elevate himself to something special. I named guys in the top 10, some of which he's fought or is scheduled to fight. You are talking about the past era, as it relates with this convo, with most of those names.
     
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  4. James Smith

    James Smith Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He fought Wlad which makes him part of his era, and Fury will be fighting again next year, so my list is legit yours is not.

    Here is a article of the American media comparing Joshua to Ali even before the Klitschko fight. Even Ali was not compared to Joe Louis at that stage of his career.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2...uld-second-coming-muhammad-ali-say-media/amp/
     
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  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    In a way, you are 100% correct.

    Which one is of the guys he has fought/is fighting again?

    Oh.
     
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  6. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Even if you train to prevent it you will still drop a bit due to aging.

    Its the same thing with vertical leap.

    http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1657/683

    I would say Wlad at 35 were the peak version.
     
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  7. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    You saying so does not equate to "most people".

    Joshua has had one win over a quality fighter, a 41yo inactive Wlad......Fury already best a younger dominant Wlad.....without being dropped and on the verge of losing.
     
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  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Not true. He, yet again, announced his retirement within the past two weeks.

    I forgot to add "busted with PED's" next to Fury, as well. That makes three of the five you named that I had to type that up for.
     
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  9. James Smith

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    He announced he would fight next year last week.

    Just because you failed a drug test does not mean you won't fight again.

    Povetkin fought the same day as a failed test.

    Stiverne failed a test and his next opponent is Wilder for the WBC belt.

    Ortiz just failed his third drug test and will be fighting again in six months time.

    The idea he division is being cleaned up is a joke, and all these good fighters will fight Joshua.
     
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  10. James Smith

    James Smith Well-Known Member Full Member

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    most people do think Joshua beat the best version of Wlad though, even you know that.
     
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  11. James Smith

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    He would of eventually, but he clearly if anything looked faster and quicker than ever against Joshua.
     
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  12. Dagnaldinho

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    He will have to do something along the lines of what Lennox Lewis did, Lewis has wins over every man he has ever stepped in the ring with, he dominated the heavyweight scene. Come the end of his career he has to have ticked all the boxes. The level of opposition will come and go, he just needs to keep beating everyone they put in front of him. Hes still fairly new, at least 10-12 years left in him yet, lets see how it plays out. Best of luck too him.
     
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  13. deadACE

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    Since when was Wlads era considered as good as Lewis's?

    Wlads best win were over small HWs and he lost points for holding in both fights Haye and Povetkin.

    Complete nonsense.
     
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  14. SambaKing

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    He's trolling - why do you guys constantly give him bites, lol?
     
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  15. James Smith

    James Smith Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First serious, great and well thought out answer to my question yet.
     
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