What does Anthony Joshua need to do to be named greatest heavyweight of all time?

I remember the build up to that fight and i don't recall Banks saying he didn't want Wlad to win by knockout.

 

Well go e mail him i dont know what to tell you? lol ..and what would the build up have to do with the actual fight during the fight? you dont see things until the actual fight is taking place,he admitted that wlad could have ended that fight before mid rnds had he been allowed to give advice.

 

Let's be honest it's not impossible, depending on the manner of victory and who he defeats.

It will be interesting to see if Joshua can improve as a fighter as well.

However I don't see it, I see AJ being chinned at some point, probably by just an average fighter.

 

Wlads his own man , he didn't need Banks to tell him anything. If the knockout presented itself he would've taken it but it never did because Jennings used his legs and Wlad can't lay a glove on movers.

 

I did watch the fight and scored it 115-112 for Wlad, you obviously didn't and are only going by boxrec and compubox stats(which is very typical for idiotic casual fanboys like you). That was his worst perfromance in a decade, and the Jennings and Fury fights back to back clearly showed Wlad was well past it at that point.

Less technical fighter? What the hell kind of a moron are you? Young had much better defence, had much better jab, used his speed very effectively(unlike Jennings who can't box of the back foot to save his life).

And to a simpleton like you who judges fighters' quality based on their KO ratio to talk about "strawman points"...

 

The problem I have found in boxing and especially so in the HW division is that when you have a dominant champion people tend to say its a weak division, whereas if you dont have a dominant champ but several evenly matched fighters, people then think its a tougher division.
For example
Ali, Foreman, Frazier etc was considered this tough golden era but I feel that each ones legacy was sort of cemented from each other and what the other achieved in a way, so in effect 3 HOFers/ATGs. Thats not to say they werent great fighters, but I also feel that had there been a top dominant HW around who blasted through all of them, then chances are people would be saying its a weak era.
Then you have an era with someone like L Lewis or W Klitschko who often blasted through top rivals and people argue it to not be as strong an era and you then get 1 HOFer/ATG .
I guess if Joshua were to beat Wilder and Parker to get the titles and then possibly relinquish, let other fighters get the titles and then win them all again he would possibly be rated higher just for that reason as silly as that sounds as that is often how I think it works in the minds of some fans and people.
Saying all of that W Klitschko beat Byrd for the WBO title, Byrd wins the IBF title and again Wladimir beats him, this time for the IBF title, Klitschko beats Peter to win a WBO title and Peter goes on to win a WBC title, beats a decent HW in Haye for the WBA title, beats Ibragimov for the WBO title, beats Povetkin who was WBA regular champ yet seems to not be recognised by some fans in my opinion

 

He was still one semi decent punch away from KO'ing Joshua. Joshua holding and shield spitting helping him out.

 

Holding helped Wlad out for the entirety of his career.

 

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I don't see Joshua matching Wlads reign and that's what most people are gonna be comparing it to. I like Joshua, I like his style and his personality, but I don't think he's going to be champion still in a decade TBH. He just has a lot of vulnerabilities to work on. That said, most people probably never though Wladimir would last as long as he did at the top.

 

You are obvioulsy too young or naive to understand how the fight game works. Your cornermen and head trainer are the most important thing you have bc they are TRAINING you and have the third eye outside the ropes.... by your avatar using final fight video game i could access you dont really know what entails a fighters performance? Anyway good luck with what you presented bc wlad indeed listened to banks bc that was his head trainer.

 

I dont care for box rec unless it states the obvious of actual opinions and not stats ..simpleton. we all know your obvious bias agenda on here,unfortunatley im on here to show that ..it must suck right? lol

young had by far less defense bc he covered up and that was LACK of punching power and wait and seek game to get a counter in..again watch the fights Simpleon and i wouldnt have to school you on this..right?

So tell everyone why young defeated foreman ( besides not feeling good..pffft) but Joshua defeating Wlad in 19 fights a FAR superior fighter at 41 makes it weak and Joshua has to prove himself in relation to the 70's era considering young was a top fighter in THAT era at about 210 and weak puncher??? Ha Ha you idiot!

 

You and @James Smith keep confusing "greatness" with "H2H ability" and then try to bring up the progression of HWs as an argument to bolster Joshua's greatness.

It doesn't work that way.

Suppose at some point in the future there's a 7 ft, 300 lb plus HW (fighter A) who is very fast, skilled and powerful. In a H2H sense he'd knockout all of today's HWs and all the legends as well. However, unfortunately for him there's 7 3' guys who dominate the division and KO him out.

Is fighter A an ATG? No, despite his H2H ability, he's most certainly not.

The same logic applies to other sports btw. Being great is mostly about what you won/accomplished. E.g. in tennis, Rod Laver is greater than Andy Murray even though the latter would beat the former.

Even if we somehow accept that based on H2H ability Joshua could be the greatest HW so far, there's another problem. If HWs keep getting bigger and better some future HW would be able to KO Joshua, ruining the "all time" part.

 

im not confusing anything as since ive been on here ATG is not BEST nor is H2H comparisons ..you arent actually following my posts then and trying to merge us...

this wont work bc as stated ATG is longetiviry and the BESt ever is actual H2H matches! Which im more opened to discuss bc it seperates all the fact from fiction.