What does B-Hop have to do to surpass RJJ as a great of this generation?

Ignoring how unlikely some of these happenings would be.
Just trying to gauge what exactly in popular opinion here on ESB, would B-Hop have to do to surpass RJJ in the rankings of this generation's greats!


In the poll, vote on this:
What does B-Hop have to do to surpass RJJ as a great of this generation?

USE YOUR MULTIPLE VOTES!


&
here, write your suggestions - who should he try to fight between now & retirement?



1-Beat the winner of Dawson-Johnson
2-Dismantle Super6 tournament winner / 1 or more top 168lb'ers
3-Beat Lacy more convincingly than Calzaghe did (if Lacy beats RJJ)
4-Get that re-match with RJJ & beat him worse than Calzaghe did.
5-Get that elusive rematch with JoeCal & secure a CLEAR win.
6-Win a Super-middleweight title
7-Win a Cruiserweight title
8-Just win a Heavyweight title
9-NO MATTER WHAT he does from here on out, he won't surpass RJJ
10- IMHO, I Already Rank Him Higher than RJJ

---any others, feel free to suggest.



DISCUSS!



also, questions I'd like you to answer:


1) If B-Hop wins titles in 2 more weight-divisions [not including Heavyweight] to become a 4-weight world champ like RJJ... -- would you consider him RJJ's equal / surpassed RJJ?

option A: RJJ's equal
option B: Surpassed RJJ
option C: no -- definitely not equal (nevermind surpassed!)



2) If B-Hop wins a heavyweight title, then would you consider him to have surpassed RJJ?

Option A: yes
Option B: no

Option C: only if he wins a title in one more weightclass (as well as heavyweight) thus equalling RJJ's accomplishment of titles in 4-weights PLUS also the accomplishment of being a former MW champ who went on to win a heavyweight title]

 

it was difficult to format this kinda poll & topic as many ppl will say do this OR xyz.


IMO, winning a Heavyweight Title and doing nothing else.. would put him ahead of RJJ for me (though I don't think he can do it without John Ruiz becoming a Heavyweight champ again, lolol).

Winning a title at super .mw AND cruiser-weight... would equal Roy, imo.
However, would depend WHO at super-mw. WHO it is could EDGE him in front.

Beating a quality super .mw (pref the super6 winner) for a 168lb title, beating the Dawson-Johnson winner at 175 (esp. if it's Dawson) & winning a solitary Cruiserweight title (even if by beating a nobody or lesser-known, less well-regarded person... say Ola Afolabi) would put him ahead of RJJ for me.


there you have it.

 

That was a decent post until the last sentence.

Having a better chin than someone does not make you a better fighter.

 

re: Lacy -- was an option aimed at Calzaghe nuthuggers.
(we all know he would do it... it's not as if that scalp adds much UNLESS you view a victory over Lacy as big -- i.e. champion Calzaghe's case for being one of the best of his generation on these boards).

re: Roy -- no-one cares but i wonder if he was to finish out a trilogy with Roy (which he most definitely would win at this stage), would history automatically place him above Roy regardless of context?


re: Calzaghe -- iduno, i think it's a fair option to suggest. As beating someone that no-one else managed to (even if he IS overrated in many places) would be HUGE -- though, I don't think it'd be huge enough to match being a former .mw who won the heavyweight crown! (even if you won it off John Ruiz with the ingenius Norman Stone in his corner).


re: Cruiserweight -- wanting to know if say B-Hop was a 3 or 4-weight world champ but not one who won a heavyweight crown like Roy... would people, on balance, taking into account everything else Bernard has done... place him ahead of Roy? or would Cruiserweight's status as a disappointing division not be enough for Bernard to, combined with his other wins, place him above RJJ?



complicated thing to discuss, eh. Well not so much complicated as headachingly extensive! :dead

 

now that's more like it.

if that had been included in your last sentence of that post you would've gotten a :good