What does Canelo have to do to be an all time great?

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Question for classic fans: What does Canelo have to do to be an all time great? I know he is an active fighter but i would prefer this question be kept in the classic section since fans in this section are generally much more informed on boxing history

    Canelo is one of my favourite fighters to watch today. I love the combination of speed, power, counter punching and strong chin that he possesses. However, i hate that his team blatantly ducked GGG when GGG was in his prime.

    On top of that, he was given a gift draw vs an aging Golovkin in their first fight and he barely won the second. I could see someone scoring the second a draw or a narrow GGG win. Regardless, it isn't convincing.

    Does Canelo have a chance at being a genuine atg or will he be remembered as a very good fighter who was the beneficiary of favourable judges and favourable match ups?
     
  2. FighterInTheWind

    FighterInTheWind Active Member Full Member

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    Transport himself to the 80s and beat real boxers.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    No.

    A man who stacks hand wraps, pays judges, takes PEDs, uses every weight manipulation trick in the book and stacks everything else you can think of in his favour, on top of cherry picking the worst champions in the division will never be an ATG.
     
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  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He lost the 2nd fight against GGG too.
     
  5. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Beat great/very good fighters without needing gifts.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    He probably needs some legitimate, uncontroversial wins over prime/young contenders who are comfortable at whatever weight the fight is made at.
    That would be a good start.
     
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  7. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well,Canelo fought 1 proven ATG in Mayweather Jr. who's is a natural Jr.lightweight.
    that had shown very little punching power at the weight they fought at. Canelo lost
    almost every rd.
    That's a bad start to proving greatness.
     
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  8. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    KO his next 10 opponents including GGG, Beterbiev, Bivol and Charlo brothers.

    Ain't happening.
     
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  9. Amos-san

    Amos-san Member Full Member

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    For a start he must beat prime top fighters (not washed up, not welters, not too old, not Rocky Fieldings). And beat them convicingly
     
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  10. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I agree. However, the second one was much closer, and I could see someone scoring it for Canelo slightly.

    I scored the first 9-3 for GGG and the second 7-5 for GGG.
     
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  11. SquaredCircle

    SquaredCircle Active Member Full Member

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    Head-to-head, we're seeing the best of Canelo now, and frankly, I don't think it's good enough to warrant ATG status. He's a really good fighter in a relatively mediocre era at middleweight and super middleweight. GGG at this age is nothing historically special at all (it's arguable if he ever was), and Canelo barely got by him, needing a gift in the first fight. He was also clearly not ATG-level at 154 having squeaked by Lara, edging Trout, and getting utterly dominated by Mayweather.

    Canelo's legacy will be that of a very good fighter who beat a bunch of good to really solid fighters, but never had a convincing win over a great one, let alone a true all-time great. If you heavily weigh depth and numerical accomplishments, he could be an ATG in that sense I suppose. I tend to think he's a bit manufactured though despite obviously being a damn good talent and a hell of a fighter.
     
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  12. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I agree

    In a way he reminds me of Calzaghe. Completely different style but his team appears unwilling to take on the best while they are in their primes.
     
  13. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Retire now. Otherwise he will be exposed. Should follow Andre Ward's lead.
     
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  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stop GGG in the rematch and somehow convince Ward to fight him and beat Ward, and take on Saunders and have some title defenses in some of the belts he wins.
     
  15. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    GGG is past it, it means nothing now.