what does floyd have to gain by beating ggg?

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  1. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    take amir khan for example...a lot of us can agree to disagree that he's as good as he thinks he is. but there's no doubt if floyd fights him, khan would be considered a legitimate and deserving challenger. thurrman too...even lara or brook. those guys have beaten some top fghters. if floyd figihts and beats any of them, then he beat a deserving top contender and/or titleholder.

    but remember, canelo? canelo was the ggg of a few years ago. he was the man who was gonna beat floyd. younger, bigger, aggressive, talented, accomplished. he had it going on. so, floyd fought him and beat him....now, all you hear is "canelo was green" "floyd cherry-picked canelo because he knew he could beat canelo" "floyd is afraid of a real challenge, so he fights canelo"...and this is CANELO...the guy they were saying was floyd's biggest threat.

    how about pacman? remember him? he was the man with his speed and southpaw style ....he was gonna beat floyd. now all you hear is "floyd cherry-picked pac" "floyd is afraid of a real challenge so he fights pac"

    given the fact that floyd got NO credit for beating pac and canelo, and given the fact that ggg is far LESS accomplished, not only than pac and canelo, but also less than danny garcia, khan, thurman, brook, lara in fact ANY of the guys lining up for a floyd fight, what does floyd have to gain by beating ggg? You would only hear the same thing "floyd cherry picked ggg because he knew ggg had no experience against top guys" "floyd is afraid of a challenge" and they would quickly try and put it behind them and call floyd a coward for not fighting ward or kovalev....there's really nothing in it for floyd. beating ggg proves nothing, gets him no further recognition, earns no additonal accolades. it's not even the biggest money fight out there for floyd....garcia or khan or thurman would do much bigger numbers.

    ggg fans need to first tell their man to earn his keep....he's living off undeserved hype. time to man up and fight lara first, then ward...then maybe the boxing world will see him as a worthwhile challenger.
     
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  2. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd take his "TBE" title a little more seriously without laughing.
     
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  3. Scar

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    There's nothing to prove beating someone who's career defining victory is ancient Rubio. Please note that Rubio was C class at best in his prime, so you can probably guess what he was when GGG got to him.
     
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  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think that's a fair assessment, and there are a few guys who are arguably better wins than Rubio, but that's besides the point.

    The reason Floyd has nothing to gain fighting GGG, is because he'd have far, far more to gain - both financially and legacy-wise - if he faces the winner of Cotto-Canelo for the lineal middleweight strap.
     
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  5. Apocolypse313

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    :goodThank you Rumsfeld

    People really want Floyd to fight GGG because it will make him famous. So people can say, "Hey, Floyd fought him he must be good". Nothing in it for TMT.
     
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  6. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ...he's already beaten them once. What would beaten them twice establish that the first time didn't? A lineal title?
     
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  7. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I, for one, having no sympathies for Floyd's style at all, will give him tremendous credit and respect if he even agrees to step foot in the ring with GGG at no less than 154, win or lose. GGG is an elite boxer at his prime and Floyd will have no advantages over him in the ring, with the exception of being the A-side. I'm pretty sure the fight will never happen and I wouldn't call it a duck, but taking that fight alone, win or lose, will be an act of courage.
     
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  8. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch Yet you gave him no respect for schooling Pac. SURE you would give Floyd respect and I'm an Excusequiao fan.
     
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  9. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ask Excusequiao, he fought Morales 2X (after beating him). Barrera 2X. Bradley 2x. Marques 4x (they were all close except KTFO6).
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes. A lineal title in a marquee weight class with a rich history. But you ignored a huge part of the equation, which is the payday Cotto or Canelo would provide for win #50.

    For people who imagine him facing GGG in that scenario, or in any scenario - that's a pipe dream. Nothing more.

    If Floyd were to face GGG one of 2 likely outcomes:
    ~ GGG stops Floyd
    ~ a drained GGG gets outboxed and decisioned by Floyd

    So either Floyd gets stopped (risky), or he wins a fight that will be dismissed out of hand because GGG has no names on his ledger and will be weight drained. Lose-lose scenario.

    So it's really silly to even imagine for such a GGG fight when the lineal champion will be Cotto or Canelo. Why?
    1. tremendous payday
    2. legacy builder
    3. very winnable contests based on past outcomes

    :smoke
     
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  11. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    i agree nothing about the first fight against those guys makes a floyd rematch the least bit intriguing to me.

    at this point, floyd has already achieved self-actualization in maslow's hierarchy. he should just pack it in after blasting out a guy like roberto garcia in his last fight.
     
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  12. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Honestly, I know this is gonna sound crazy but if Floyd is really considering going way out of his weight class for a "**** it" fight to end his career: I'd rather see him fight Andre Ward. I might actually give him a better shot in that one than Golovkin for the simple reason that he's less likely to get KOed.
     
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  13. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wouldn't the Canelo/Cotto winner vs Mayweather fight need to be above 154 for lineal MW title to be on the table? If Cotto wins, it's probably ok, but if Canelo wins, he would come in over 170lbs on fight night. That could mess things up a bit as well.
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

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    Not sure on the technicalities of that, but you do bring up a point I did forget to mention which is, unless that bout were to take place at 160 (which it almost certainly wouldn't), it would have be a tainted win, in a similar sense to Pac's beating Margo for a 154 title.
     
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  15. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marquez, all fights were close, most were controversial
    Morales, ATG, actually beat Pacquiao so deserved two shots at beating him again
    Bradley, "beat" Pacquiao, had Pac's WBO belt

    Canelo didn't win a single round
    Cotto lost cleanly and is older
     
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