What does Froch need to do to beat Bute?

Farmboxer · Feb 29, 2012

Froch would have to bring a gun to have a chance against Bute!!!

Ward knows it, which is the reason he refused to allow Bute to fight in his own tournament.............

PityTheFool · Mar 1, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

My take :

First my thoughts on Froch as this point

Nuts and Bolts :

Boxer puncher who shows more discipline now than ever.
Good jab, single and double which offers him a range finder, and a defensive tool. Under-rated wepone when he goes to the body.
Good right hand, capable of shooting it straight and looping it mid flight, this increases it's chance of landing despite a telegraphed look.
Cast Iron chin
Very good Stamina (Age considered)
Uppercuts with both hands, which are sometimes thrown from too far out.
Brilliant trainer and tactician in his corner.

Froch peaked in the Super Six tournament, he had retained his physical tools into his mid to late thirties, and made a mental adjustment to be more of a pugilist than a face first brawler. Factoring in Carl's length, his under-rated jab, brilliant corner, and chin this suited him well and we saw the results.

Froch had always felt he was in the shadow of Joe Calzaghe, the Super Six tournament would be his arena, his stage to prove that he was better than Joe, that he (Froch) had faced the best competition of his era and beat them.

I think Froch put everything he had into that tournament, mentally and physically. The fact is that he's 35 years old and closer to the end of his career than the biggining. The game plan below is suited to the Froch from the Super Six tournament, which may turn out to be different from the man that we see in May.

Nuts and bolts about Bute :

Southpaw
Nice jab, which he is capable of doubling and trippling up on.
Very good body puncher
Improved defense
Sharp and precise puncher
Good punching fluidity
Under-rated corner man, who tells it like it is.

Bute is on the right side of a rising tide right now, he appears more polished everytime he fights (Though opposition is questionable and not on par with Froch's recent fights) and shows more defensive awareness now than he did previously. (Case and point the first Andrade fight) Bute shows good power, and an ability to grind his man down by going to the body. Lateral movement and punching fluidity are key points when it comes to analysing Bute.

His chin may be suspect.
There are questions over his opposition
The fight is away from home
He will be eager to make a statement.

How I would advise Froch to fight :

The crowd in this fight, may be as much of a problem early on for Froch, as they are for Bute. For the first two rounds, I would have Froch fight conservative, pump his jab, doubling up whilst walking forward. Stay behind that jab, and do not put your chin in range of Bute early. It's a new enviroment for the Canadian, don't allow him to land early and gain confidence. Stay composed, and shoot the right hand as warning when Bute gets too close. When shooting the right hand, take half a step to your right, (Back foot, to the right) in order to keep the angle straight, rather than unconventional and suited to a southpaw.

When Bute does get close, establish lead foot position. At a speed dis-advantage as well as from a technical stand point, tactical superiority is vital for Froch.

Do not throw those long looping upper-cuts in the first few rounds, you will leave yourself exposed to either a right hook over the top, or a straight left down the shoot.

There must be a pretence of defence for Froch, if he's jabbing he must pivot to the side and keep his right hand up, Bute is capable of precise fast punching, and it's not good to take too many. Use the jab as a defensive tool, use it to get Bute to concede ground, then occupy that space, in other words establish to the judges that you are in control of the ring.

4th round onwards there must be body work. Froch keeps his left hand low, I'd spend the entire training camp trying to drum that out of him here, especially when he goes to the body. Jab to the pit of the stomach, and bring your left hand back covering your chin, likewise when shooting a straight right to the body. A right hand to the chest of Bute would be a good idea too, shock him; take his breath for a moment, make him uncomftorble in strange surroundings. In terms of Bute's body work, Froch should shoot his straight punches with his elbows tucked in, otherwise he is too exposed. If Bute gets too close, grab him. The referee will break you and restore your advantage with distance.

Froch is in Nottingham, so close rounds are not going to be a bad thing for him, do not go gung ho in the last thirty seconds, it's an un-needed risk.

Press the action later. Froch is an offensive fighter, it's his bread and butter, educated preassure is key, show the judges you are the aggressor, you want to take the title from the Champion, this is your house, you are king here. feint to the body and come upstairs to the head, scoring shots whilst remaining responsible with your own foot movements and head movements.

The crowd don't matter, you're in a do or die situation. Follow the game plan, trust your initiative and don't go getting caught when you don't need too just to impress spectators. Discipline, tactical knowlege and range is where Froch could win this fight.

(Just an estimate, I wouldn't bank on the above)
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:deal
Even better than I expected mate.Got my daughter staying so only got 5 mins,but I'll come back later and elaborate a bit on what you've written.:good

persianprince · Mar 1, 2012

DrMo said: ↑

After Froch's previous loss we saw a career best performance
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Good point, this is it. Carl needs to be himself, the Cobra punches from very awkward angles. So that would be a problem for Lucy

Bogotazo · Mar 1, 2012

I think he would do well to make Bute lead.

BeastsideBoxing · Mar 1, 2012

SJS19 said: ↑

The point of the thread is to talk about Froch, and how you think he should fight Bute. No where does it ask you to stick your tounge in Lucian's arse.
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Your describing Bute's style so way are you angry I pointed that out ?

Sir Koolkid · Mar 1, 2012

I think froch needs to keep his pressure on bute and box him like he boxed Abraham but also smother him and see how he copes with it. Froch has good footwork better than i realized but watching him stay with ward and track him and follow him around the ring well and constantly for the full fight showed me his legs are good. He's slow these days and him and bute both keep there hands low but froch's chin is the more proven and solid chin between the two. Bute wont stop froch and froch has a chin which he can leave out there and not have to really worry about being stopped with one blow. He can rush bute with a war of punches and see how bute copes but i don't think bute will react to it well and keep the same composure ward kept vs froch that said bute has a brilliant blueprint to follow in beating froch, ward wrote the script beautifully.

Froch must jab and do a little bit of boxing on the outside then just rush bute and war with him on the inside and pressure him all night and show the judges a lot of activity and aggression and it should work out for him on the cards plus its in the UK so we will rob that canadian boy bute on the cards if its close. Froch has the better footwork and use's his waist and ducks well and burst at opponents and takes them to the trenches. Bute doesn't have the pure boxing skills of ward to handle froch in the same manner bute is more messy and will try to just outbox bute but it will turn in to a brawl for most of the fight. Froch can very well win the fight, bute hasn't faced anyone on this level so its a test for him. Froch's mental side is tough and i like to see bute's reaction when he see's froch not giving him and froch is very experienced i expect him to have learned a lot vs ward i don't think bute will be as difficult now as maybe before the ward fight.

Froch will probably stop bute before the 12th.

FPJ · Mar 1, 2012

Quick Answer, remove his liver.

Unless Froch somehow gets lucky, i dont really see a way for him to win. Froch is a brawler and Bute's style is perfect for this.

fatcity · Mar 1, 2012

Fights in the UK?Froch just needs to show up and go 12.Done deal.

Cael · Mar 1, 2012

take the fight, simple as that.

Cael · Mar 1, 2012

tzuica said: ↑

lol what a ******,you're just a hater aren't you?
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truth hurts...

sdot · Mar 1, 2012

come in with great cardio, push a hard pace and bang him up whenever he gets the chance, watch the first andrade fight and try to replicate and improve upon it, and knock him out about 20 seconds earlier than andrade did.

astrojoe86 · Mar 1, 2012

He has two option, turn it into an all out war or last all 12 and wait for the hometown decision. The way fights have been going lately, he has a chance for a decision.

Ramón · Mar 1, 2012

He needs to get lucky to KO Bute early. Won't happen.:good

Sir Koolkid · Mar 1, 2012

fatcity said: ↑

Fights in the UK?Froch just needs to show up and go 12.Done deal.
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bute needs a gun to win

PityTheFool · Mar 1, 2012

Right,I asked so time I made a contribution;
Carl's battle begins in camp.The way I see it,he only has three strengths that Bute doesn't match,only two really because Bute can match him for conditioning,it's just an asset that Froch is naturally superior in.
Chin and strength,and they won't be enough on the night.I also fear that although McCracken could come up with a solid plan to beat almost any fighter Carl will face (outwith Ward) the worry is always whether Carl will actually listen on the night.
There has to be solid sparring with a fast southpaw who can pump out the jab rapido.People talk about Bute's bodyshots,but the handspeed with the jab in particular,is the most eyecatching thing for me.It is absolutely essential that Carl keeps that left hand up to parry,even though such a tactic has been anathema to him in the past.
You have two guys who don't have a great inside game,so the likelihood is that both will be seeking distance.For me the key here is Froch not to go all out,and even though Bute is a far stiffer test than Abraham,Froch needs a surprising tactic like the way he came out in that fight.He MUST get a jab going.A brawling style will be meat and drink for Bute,so jab,feigns and finding angles are the key here.
Where I am confident,is Carl's ability to take a punch to land one,but this time he must land two or three and double up,even at the risk of fouling in the clinch.
I think he has to be cautious in the first couple,make Bute think hard and mix between using his old style infrequently along with the surprise of standing off.Total concentration is a must.Bute's jab is a fabulous scoring weapon and he must find a way to neutralise it.I'm not adding anything new here I know but he must keep that guard high and find the right angles.He's not the greatest when it comes to feigning but he must work on it.He also has to get dirty in the trenches to keep Bute busy and stop him getting the bodyshots off.
I know Bute is a disciplined fighter but I'm hoping Froch can bring out that Eastern Bloc machismo that's in Bute's DNA.Keep him working AND constantly thinking and he may be able to expose the possibilty that Bute cannot match him for stamina.
Total discipline and throwing Bute off by finding unusual angles are the things that Carl must work on.I know he's 35 but he needs to find some new aspects to his game here.
No point in trying to knock LB's concentration and forcing him to get into a brawl if he's not going to listen to Rob and get someone other than his own view of how the fight's going.(This has been a long standing problem)He must not play to the crowd.I hope all that time fighting away doesn't mean the home crowd gets him emotional.
There you have it,but it's all irrelevant because anyone who knows boxing knows Froch stops Bute inside a round or sooner.yep:good

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