What Does It Say About Tyson...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Jan 16, 2008.


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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    That even post prison (Post Holyfield even) he was able to beat, and in some cases destroy, some high end and or capable competition?

    Tyson's in a group along with Lennox Lewis and Brewster in disposing of Golota quickly. And not only did Tyson beat him, he badly injured him.

    Brian Nielson isn't a world beater, but Tyson took him apart in his backyard, one of two men to beat him.

    Also took apart Saverese in one, a guy who's gone the distance with Foreman.

    Slaughtered Botha.

    Just saying... Even after the head movement left, some of the speed, the drive... He had enough left to convincingly take apart quite a few capable fighters.
     
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  2. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    Yes.

    What does it say about Ali if he can beat Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Jerry Quarry, Ron Lyle etc. when he was past his prime, post-exile?

    The same can be said about many fighters.
     
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  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ali wasn't nearly as past his best as Tyson was in the fights that have been mentioned.

    His drive and will were completely shot.

    Ali's physical tools eroded, but he remained mentally strong, which was a huge part of his game.

    Tyson... Not so much.
     
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  4. UpWithEvil

    UpWithEvil Active Member Full Member

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    It says the heavyweight division was terrible. Fat, lazy, drug-addled steroid junkies doth not an impressive win streak make.
     
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  5. Sonny's jab

    Sonny's jab Guest

    Yeah, it says very little.

    The "post-bite" circus freak sideshow seems even less interesting now than it did at the time.
     
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  6. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    It says that Mike Tyson hit really hard. Really. Call it what you want to. Tyson hit hard when people say were his best years of reigning supreme. People often speculate what he was doing later.

    His biggest flaw was being able to win by just going upside your head.
     
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  7. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

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    :lol:, well stated. The guy def had a punch in his prime!
     
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  8. Pat_Lowe

    Pat_Lowe Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe it says Tyson wasn't as shot after prison as people make out. Granted he wasn't what he used to be in the 80's and early nineties, but he wasn't a corpse in there. He was still talented and capable of beating many of the top fighters.
     
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  9. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I've had a lot to drink tonigt. I kinda know what I meant a couple of posts back.

    One thing I meant by the going upside your head remark, is that I believe his power changed his mindset. Tyson's fights began to look like short nights if he just walked over and hit you in the head. He didn't have to out think opponents, he just punched them in the face.
     
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  10. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    None of those guys were top 10 heavyweights, even in that time period. And it's a little odd to say Tyson "slaughtered" Botha when he was being badly outboxed and tried to foul out of the fight by attempting to break Botha's arm in a clinch before landing a haymaker, don't you think?
     
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  11. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson post 1996 looked pretty bad, but I mean even a bad version of Tyson is still more impressive than most other HW's.
     
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  12. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    He had massive power, that's always a huge plus. Also, it's funny how people are dismissing his work in 1996. He looked good, especially vs Bruno. Read contemporary reports of that fight for proof. Yes, but that was only Frank Bruno some may say. Well, that's the calibre he was beating in the 80s anyway, including Big Frank himself.
     
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  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Yeah, i wish we could go back to those great times when the heavyweight division was ruled by 5'6 middleweights and lightheavies.
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:
     
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  15. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That even past his best, he was still very good.
     
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