what does it take to beat a prime whitaker???

this fighter has been getting my respect as I see his fights, he was practically untouchable, i never saw anyone hurtin him until the trinidad fight...who would match him at his prime...or what strategy could be use to defeat him??

 

It took Oscar to kicky his arse.

 

:roll:

I favor none over Whitaker at 135, and I can back this up with analysis of any fight you can give, including Duran(God knows I've done it a million times in the Classic Forum).

At 140, Pryor may be able to outwork the more flat-footed Whitaker(in comparison to the 135 Whitaker).

Jose Napoles was supposed to be even better at 135 and 140 than he was at 147, and seeing as he's one of the best fighters I've seen on film at 147, I think he could be a good shout at 140. I plan on getting some footage of a younger Napoles soon, to see if I can back this up.

As far as a particular style. Honestly? No particular style(not at 135 anyway) gets the best of him, only the more complicated fighters, and even then you have a problem finding one.

At 147 though, plenty of fighters are capable of beating him.

 

Judges from the Ramirez fight.

 

Oscar really gave the air a beating that night, as well as getting knocked down and out landed

 

A very fast pressure fighter with good D, chin and ring generalship. Good uppercuts, and dry hooks also. Intelligence and KO power is also required - don't know if such a fighter existed around his weightclass in his prime.

 

Extremely little footage of the man is available, but Duilio Loi(the man who beat a prime Carlos Ortiz twice) may just have been that fighter based on accounts. Not neccessarily considering speed, but he was a very slick pressure fighter. This would also be at 140.

 

Thanks, will check him out:good

 

duran.

though even with duran it would still have been a 50/50 fight.

 

Roberto Duran possessed all of those attributes. He had KO power, but it was not the one-punch type. He wore guys down down.

I don't think there's any real game plan to beat a prime Whitaker at lightweight. You can say intelligent pressure + power or somebody with greater speed and a good deal of defensive skills, but the problem is that Pernell was a genius in the ring. He could adapt to any style and give his opponents a taste of their own medicine.

At 135, I wouldn't favor anybody over him. Up until a few months ago, I picked Duran over Whitaker by a close decision. But I rewatched almost all of their meaningful title fights, analyzed it in greater detail, and came to the conclusion that Whitaker beats him. Robbi and Sweet Pea can give the best analysis as to why Whitaker takes it. I haven't seen footage of Jose Napoles at 135 (who was supposedly better at this weight). If that's true, I'd give him a decent shot, but would still favor Whitaker. I have no doubts Pernell beats Williams, Ortiz, Mosley, Mayweather, Armstrong, and Arguello.

Even at 140, I'd pick him over everybody. The guy with the best chance is Aaron Pryor.

 

As the type of fighter, Duran would be a good call. However, Duran was at this time not only past his prime, but was also a MW.

 

Good analysis - I though about suggesting The Hawk as well - but I wonder if Sweet Pea was too smart for him as well?

As usual - good stuff, Brooklyn.

 

Roberto Duran is the only lightweight aggressive but versatile enough to beat Duran. He had a slippery defense for a swarmer, a great chin, could cut off the ring, went to the body like nobodies business, and he had real power at 135. He was tenacious enough and skilled enough to press Whitaker. He wasnt a reckless fighter and would take full advantage of Whitakers backpedaling, style at this weight. PURE boxers always gave him trouble but not the pronounced trouble they did once he moved from lightweight where he could overcome more skilled fighters with skills of his own, strength, and ring saavy.

 

How do you figure that?

 

Whitaker was great off of the backfoot though. He had the ability to maintain a high punch output while still being completely aware defensively. And Duran would have to deal with his piston-jab, even when Pernell is backing up.