What does Marquez have to do to be considered a ATG

But if it is close but clear in your own opinion, you should give it. Eg Alexander vs Kotelnik.

 

isn't he already an ATG?

being as close as nobody (except morales ) beating a prime pacquiao is remarkable.

roling over barrera, juarez, casamayor, diaz, katsidis, gainer isn't shady either.

I mean serious, why isn't he already one? if overrated floyd patterson is one, why shouldn't marquez? :yep

 

Not in my estimation, and we'll get to why not in a minute.

He didn't beat Manny Pacquiao, the record books clearly show this.

Rolling over Barrera? That's an overstatement, and Barrera was on the way out. Woefully past his prime. This is common knowledge, and not often debated...if ever.

Juarez and Gainer weren't all that impressive fighters on the grand scale, and Casamayor was also woefully past his prime.

Floyd Patterson isn't an ATG? He was an extraordinary fighter, one that would have certainly gone down as an ATG had he came around a little bit later and campaigned exclusively as a Light Heavyweight.

 

isn't it funny already 4 people think he is an ATG. 6 not.

look, the best reason I can show those who thinks he is not one is this.

in the last 4-5 years he was consistantly in the p4p top 5. the best boxer's of the last 4-5 years were pac, may, hop, joe and marquez. so if you are one of the 5 best boxer in the world, for 4-5 years doesn't that make you an ATG.

 

No...that makes you a big fish in a small pond.

 

as close as means as close as, not he beat him.

gainer, juarez, katisidis are no boxing superstars, but it is not marquez's fault, because there aren't a lot of morales's or pacquiao's around.

prime or not, casa came of a big victory over katsi and still had juice.

 

Agree with this

Both in my mind were clear enough wins for JMM and thats what they shall remain to me despite what is down as 'official', there has been far too many crap judging for me to let 'official' decisions be the ones i just go along with (Lewis/Holyfield I anyone)

Same as last saturday was clear for Hopkins to my mind.

 

While not woefully past his prime, that was a shadow of peak Naz that Barrera defeated, right?

 

Fighters don't earn ATG status by almost winning fights.

Casamayor was past his prime. Non-debatable. A good win but nothing to write home about. Same thing with the Barrera victory.

As it stands, Marquez doesn't have a signature win.

 

Non-comparable.

Naseem Hamed was 12 months removed from arguably the best performance of his career in knocking out the accomplished Bungu.

The general consensus is that Hamed was at his best with Ingle, and yet he was just entering his prime at the time of his fight with Kevin Kelley, where he was repeatedly tagged and knocked down. Infallible? Elusive? Not in my estimation, only in the event he was fighting over in Sheffield against the likes of Billy Hardy.

There's a misconception about Naseem Hamed. He was never an elusive target, he was always hittable, and it was common practice for him to get tagged and lose his balance. This was not a result of him parting with Ingle. The other excuses I hear is that Hamed wasn't training properly under Oscar Suarez and Emmanuel Steward and yet the pre-fight build up to his fight with Augie Sanchez tells a different story.

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The Hamed of the Barrera fight was the same Hamed as you always saw, he was just in with a truly special talent. No more, no less.

 

yes they earn it that way. sure a clear win weighs much more, but when you are close of beatin one of the best boxer of all time, some even consider him (pac) a top 10 ATG already than it does weigh a lot.

signature win, maybe diaz II, but he has a signiture draw atsch