What does Pac have over Ross in rating.

Did he dominate at any of the other weights aside from maybe Feather and Welter?

I been thinking about this a while. Everyone talks about countering Pacquiao etc... to beat him. I think there is definitly an alternative, utilising a stiff left jab as the main theme, strategy.

 

Certainly not at sbw nor lightweight. But if look at the elite boxers between flyweight and welterweight who competed at the same weight and time as pac, he has beaten most of them. By my reckoning there's only ayala, guzman and soto missing who would be a significant improvement on his resume considering the opposition he fought and when he fought them.

 

He didn't beat any elite Flyweights.

 

Which elite flyweights would you have preferred to see him take on?

 

Well there wasnt any. But if he held it longer it coulda made up for it, you get me?

 

I think Sasakul was the consensus number 1 at the time, and Pacquiao beat him, and soon succumbed to weight difficulties, hence the direct jump from fly to superbantam immediately following the Singsurat loss. Guys that size don't jump 10lbs all at once unless they were in a dire state making weight.

 

No Sir!...I'm sure you'll scratch alot deeper than that little blurb...and I'll look forward to reading your take on it too.

 

Sasakul was the man who beat the man. Pac handled him and technically lost his belt on the scales when he could no longer make weight.

How long was it until pong came along? Maybe he'd have been a great victory also but by then pac was huge.

I don't like criticising fighters who fight the very best of their era by claiming the best weren't good enough. It just doesn't ring true with me.

 

Yeah GP I agree totally...a stiff, short up jab will be Mayweather's key to making Pac keep restarting. You need to be first w/Pacquiao because if you wait on him, he will totally dictate.Either be first or get out of the way...

 

Yeh, thats what I'm thinking. Cotto was getting in their first with his jab but he is soft when hes intimidated.

A guy like Ross would be the perfect foil for Pac IMO

 

Yeah, I agree again...Ross would give Pac problems, he would need that quick jab and step off the angles, not facing Pac straight on...if you face him straight on he is very capable of getting there with his, faster than you get there with yours...

 

Aye. Exactly.

 

If I were to measure Basilio's resume against Pac's and the level of guys on it, this is how I'd have them:

Robinson - no equivalent
Billy Graham - no equivalent
Gil Turner - Marco Antonio Barrera
Johnny Saxton - Erik Morales
Tony DeMarco - Juan Manuel Marquez
Art Aragon - Miguel Cotto
Pierre Langlois - Ricky Hatton
Ike Williams - DLH (both pretty much dead in the water at the time of their fights)
Don Jordan - Shane Mosley (again, both were pretty much faded)
Carmen Fiore - Antonio Margarito
Chuck Davey - Chatchai Sasakul
Gaspar Ortega - Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Italo Scortichini - Joshua Clottey

Pac's resume only comes close towards Basilio's when you consider his weight jumping imo. But even then, Basilio did some impressive weight jumping himself, so I wouldn't say that it's enough to draw even with Basilio even with that factored in.

 

I think he has been slowly deteriorating over the last 5 or so years, but he hasn't faced a decent enough opponent to really show the cracks in his armour. The biggest difference I see is that he is quite a bit slower on his feet these days and a bit less flexible through the upper torso than he used to be. He's still at a very high level, don't get me wrong, but beating the guys he's recently beaten easily isn't really a good indication of his current level because the opposition imo has been poor. I still think it would take a great performance to beat him, and perhaps Pac might do it, though stylistically Mayweather probably isn't the best guy for him to show his talents against. Still, he may catch Mayweather and knock him out. If the fight happens, I will be rooting for that outcome :good

 

I expressed this view on general, pretty much word for word. Some guy made a thread to mock how ridiculous an opinion it was.

I tried saying that whilst I appreciate at the time mosley was highly rated, we have enough hindsight to say that in the past 3 years floyd has fought only a lightweight and a shot fighter. There is just not enough evidence for me to view floyd as a current elite level fighter.