What does Pavlik gain by fighting a Senior??

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  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    There is only one reason that Pavlik/Hopkins is happening. Calzaghe spent 7 months calling Pavlik out, and then when Pavlik said yes, Slappy Joe misplaced his balls, and made a fight with Roy Jones. If Pavlik, Dunkin, Leow, Arum, and Warren would have had there way, we would be looking forward to Pavlik/Calzaghe in October. Joe and his father both understand something that most boxing fans do not: Pavlik would take Joe's zero, and steal his ****ing soul.
     
  2. Imperial1

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    You know why joe chose to fight roy ? Its the same reason pavlik is figting hopkns ,money ! Did you also know that calzaghe has every intent on fighting the new flavor of the month kelly pavlik . But yet he has no balls.
     
  3. Hermit

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    It was the best fight Arum could get for him after Joe backed out?:D Still, Joe dug this hole with his own words. I think you know that. You have seen the posts about his words in his autobiography and the clip Boo has posted at least two dozen times.
     
  4. Rock0052

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    He'll get a career high payday and prove once again that, against all common logic, a young fighter fighting a much older one will take much less **** than another old fighter fighting them.

    I should add that I'm looking forward to the fight nonetheless!
     
  5. Hermit

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    Interesting comment. Care to elaborate?
     
  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Simply put, I've seen a 36 year old Joe Calzaghe take alot of **** lately, some so much as to call the win worthless, for fighting against a 43 year old Hopkins (who was still the man at LHW). That' a 7 year difference. Ignored is that Calzaghe won on Hopkins' turf, with Hopkins' ref, and moving up in weight.

    Subsequently, I've seen far less of "the age card" played for both Pavlik vs Hopkins, and Dawson vs both Johnson and Tarver. However, the age difference in those fights is 17, 13, and 13 years, respectively...or, to put it another way, the age difference in those 3 fights add's up exactly to B-hop's 43 years of age.

    But, Dawson and Pavlik will get credit for those W's because it's viewed as overcoming wily veterans. Anything positive the vets did or will do will get talked up, instead of holding it against the younger fighter- we've already seen this happen in Dawson vs Johnson, where nobody mentions that the same Johnson was essentially on Clinton Woods' level.

    Personally, I don't mind the old fighters fighting younger guys at all as that's just the progression of things, and they're going to be good fights for the sport- as long as the vets are on top, it's up to younger fighters to try and dethrone them. It's the double standard of convenient criticism that I find irritating.
     
  7. Scar

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    Hopkins is coming off a very close loss in a fight many thought he will lose easily and one-sidedly. Pavlik doesn't have any other options right now, he tried to get Calzaghe but got declined, Winky priced his self out(as usual) and Abraham has to fight his mandatory. They took the only option available right now and Hopkins accepted the fight, this is hardly going to be an easy fight for Pavlik and I'm actually picking him to lose, for a stay-active type of fight this one is dangerous.
     
  8. sues2nd

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  9. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well Pavlik would have no benefit whatsoever in beating a senior. But if he were to defeat Hopkins it would still be a pretty big accomplishment. Having this said, i strongly believe that Pavlik fighting Hopkins is the wrong move in his career.
     
  10. Zaryu

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    Danderous indeed. Not only would he be fighting 10lbs above his weight class but he'd be facing Hopkins!!! If Hopkins would at least still be a middleweight than i would understand but why in the world ( i know money but legacy wise) would anyone move up two weight classes and fight Hopkins when he just lost his last fight and yet is still very much a threath? I'm not saying Pavlik will lose, i'm just saying Pavlik will not look good win or lose.
     
  11. Imperial1

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    Hopkins is a cagey fighter he is going to make Pavlik look very bad ..
     
  12. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I'll believe Joe when I see an official announcement that a contract has been signed by all partys. Until then Joe is a grossly over rated european level titlist with a long history of ducking top fighters. His best win is a controversial split decision over a 43 year old career middleweight. Trust me; Joe is not going anywhere near Kelly Pavlik, and does not deserve your loyalty, nor the loyalty of those god awful hoards of european calzombies.
     
  13. Scar

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    He definitely won't and if Pavlik wins then this is an excellent win in his record regardless, Hopkins still is dangerous and very hard to beat/figure out even at this age. Thoug his age will definitely play a major factor considering his activity and if he can afford to take advantage of every single opportunity he gets(Pavlik is wide open) for 12 full rounds. It will be an ugly fight, no doubt but I just can't see how Hopkins loses this unless his age REALLY catches up and shows by Hopkins being more open to punches and not moving enough(doubtful but still a possibility).