Most of you will probably just say "nuthin', he's shot to ****" but I have a hard time agreeing on that. First of all, Tua is only 38 - he's clearly faded but if he was half as good as some of you make him out to be he should have blown out an ever more faded Barrett who was cannon fodder even in his prime. 38 years is nothing special for a heavyweight whose style didn't resemble that of a ballerina in his prime anyway. What else do you see in Tua except power and chin? Being outboxed by a shot 40yo D-level fighter is a bad as it gets and makes his boxing skills shine in a bad light. I do not intend to discredit his career as I'm aware he blew out Ruiz and Maskaev and had an exciting fight with Ibeabuchi but my point is that he's never been anything but a B-level heavy at best if not B minus. A lot of people tend to label fighters as "shot" once they fail to meet their expectations but I really don't see how you could apply that on Tua. Even in his prime all you needed was Byrd-level boxing skill to outbox him comfortably (even Rahman did very well) and a little agilty to dodge his left hook and you were fine. The discrepancy between a prime Tua who is said to be a H2H wrecking machine and a 38yo Tua (again, which is not exceptionally old for a HW) who gets outboxed by a quite frankly horrible version of Barrett twice is way to massive to convince me of Tua's skills in his prime. I'm a Tua sceptic and looking back at his record I feel save in saying Tua's always been an overrated B minus heavy who lived off a couple spectacular KTFOs and would lose badly to any legit HW champ (yeah, I don't consider Maskaev, Peter or Ruiz to be particularly good).
Now he is perfect to fight a Klitschko. These ****in cherrypickin brothers! They are already ducking Barrett!
Its common sense! The bitchkos are only good because they are big They are ducking Dimitrenko, Barrett, Nielsen and Holyfield! Why they never fight the real great fighters?!
38 is very old for a very short HW who's power has left him to a degree and who's feet, which were never great to begin with, make him look like he's walking in wet cement. The last point is extremely important as Tua gives up 4-5 inches in almost every fight and has found it increasingly difficult to get within range to land anything of subtance. If he's unable to consistently land anything of substance and gets outworked(David has never been known for his work rate) then he's swimming against the current IMO.
Nothing, he's shot to ****. It's the truth, dispute it however you may wish, but it doesn't change the fact that the Tua who fought Ibeabuchi would put Monte Barrett away in a few rounds.
This potentially good thread needs to be sprayed for trolls. Tua was never great, but he deserves respect. Heavy punchers tend to be beloved by the public...Earnie Shavers obviously had many deficits as a fighter, but people still talk about him today because of his power. He and Tua had much in common...they might impressively club you unconscious, or else be made to look foolish by someone with speed, stamina, and guts. What this fight really says is that he should retire or else continue on as a gatekeeper. I doubt he does either. My guess is that over the next year he has a whopping two fights in which he beats a couple of guys with .500 records. Then he'll get another bigger fight and lose. So, see you guys again in 18 months when we have the exact same thread. Just to save on cyber space, let's just keep this one in the archives and pick up with it in early 2013. Take care guys! See you then!
I don't wish for him to be shot or anything. I'm no hater just a sceptic. My point is that he was not that significantly better in his prime than he is now. I see that certain feats have declined and that's fair at 38 but you have to take Barrett's age into consideration too and that makes his effort even poorer. If you can't outbox Byrd or Rahman (stopped him once but was behind on all scorecards) I don't see how you can be considered anything but B level at best. Again, this thread's intention is not to discredit Tua but to put things into perspective. Yes, he gives away a lot of hight and reach and his age might have a stronger impact on him than, say, Vitali or Holmes but just look how abysmal he fared against a shot Barrett - that's easily the largest discrepancy ever between a prime and a 38yo HW I've ever seen IF he was as good as you advertise him. And that's what I'm questioning. His resume surely supports my point of view.
Really, I don't think the Tua that slugged for 12 rounds like a machine against Ibeabuchi, or annihilated Jonh Ruiz and Fres Oquendo would lose against Monte Barrett. That's just it for me, a prime Tua would probably stop Barrett in a round, and if he's losing to him now, then it's clear he's past it. If a guy is losing to fighter he would have not only beat, but killed in his prime, then it's a pretty decent indicator that he's past it. I hear what you're saying in a sense, Tua has never really been a top level heavyweight and has often fell at the final hurdle (at world level) but he's always been above the Monte Barrett's of the world. Remember that Tua had a relatively short peak, when he weighed around the 225 mark, I think that Tua is better than the one who fought Rahman and Lennox (around 245 in those fights).
Tua age was not important in this fight.And you are right 38 is not old.Tua showed that he had speed and power but he wasn't in shape for this fight.Age is not excuse for Tua.Look at Hopkins at 46,Vitali at 40,Tarver 42...Tua for this fight was 244 and if he was 224 that will be good.Holyfield at 46 was 215 and I just don't see that Tua can't do this at 38.He has speed and power but not cardio because he is overweight.His major problem is burger king.Tua is one of the my favorites fighters but my advice for him will be to retire,not because of his age but because lack of discipline.Visit http://bigpunchers.blogspot.com/ for rare boxing videos,articles,upcoming videos...