What does Usyk have to do to surpass Holyfield alltime?

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  1. Chitown

    Chitown Active Member Full Member

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    And what wins does Evander have at each weight that are better than

    @ CW

    Gassiev and Briedis

    @ HW

    Joshua
     
  2. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At cruiser; Qawi X 2, Occasio, Parkey, Deleon, Tillman.
    At Heavy Dokes,Stewart,Thomas,Tillis , Douglas, Foreman, Cooper,Holmes, Tyson, Moorer x2
    Bowe #2 Tyson x2, In other words not only did Holyfield beat better competition than Usyk
    faced, many of the fighters he defeated would beat Uysk.
     
  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Surpassing Holyfield at heavyweight is going to be difficult, since Usyk started fighting at heavyweight in his mid 30's. Holyfield literally fought everyone.
     
  4. Quick Cash

    Quick Cash Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Briedis is better than all of those guys apart from maybe Qawi.

    Dokes, Stewart, Thomas, Tillis, Douglas and Cooper are not better wins compared to Joshua.
     
  5. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Hard to say.

    Tyson, Mercer, Lewis, Bowe, Moorer had better chins than the Bodybuilder.

    To be at the same level USyK has to beat at leasr Joshua in the rematch and twice one among Fury and Wilder.
     
  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield beats him up bad.no comparison
     
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  7. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    Knew this was coming.
     
  8. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He has to know when to retire!
     
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  9. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would favour Toney to beat him
     
  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This will be a fan-battle for the ages, and it really comes down to how you think of Holyfield.

    Points in Holyfield's favor:
    His wins dwarfs Usyk's in number and quality (at heavy)

    Points against Holyfield:
    Beatable fighter with ten losses, and, "Evan Fields"

    I struggle with Holy. So many great years, so many great fights, but at the end of the day, I don't know how much of it was him and how much was the fact that testing was in its infancy back then. I would say Holyfield with an asterix by it.
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    If he unifies and retires without a loss, after beating the guys necessary to win all the belts (presumably Joshua in the rematch, the winner of Wilder/Fury, and any rematch associated with that one, plus probably some unavoidable mandatory in the interim), he's not that far off, honestly.
     
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  12. Chitown

    Chitown Active Member Full Member

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    Im gonna guess youre trolling with some of those cruisers lol...
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    He'd had a whopping 3 heavyweight fights so there's that. If he beats Fury and Wilder as well as winning the rematch he is certainly building up an impressive record.

    How much money and potential legacy did he just cost Fury? If their unification came off and Fury rolls him (hugely likely) it's a very big win for him. Joshua's damaged goods now even if he won a rematch. That notch is gone and the legacy ceiling lowered.
     
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  14. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He has long way to go at heavy. Although tonight was a stellar win. At cruiserweight he matches up nicely. Usyk’s cruiser resume is awesome.
     
  15. BCS8

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    I think that at cruiser he's surpassed Holyfield.

    I think that at heavy he's unlikely to, he started heavy a bit late. Although if Usyk goes on to beat Fury and Wilder and a few other guys without losing he'd have a better claim. Fury is going to be especially problematic for Usyk due to his sheer size and skill at the long range work.