What does Wilder need to do to beat Fury in their 3rd fight?

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  1. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder needs to put many more pounds into his weight to fight Fury in the third fight. Fury bashed Wilder comfortably in the second fight.
     
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  2. PaddyGarcia

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    Goom him like he did in the first fight. Don’t think it’s happening though. Fury has him worked out and Wilder’s confidence is probably gone
     
  3. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Too little, too late to talk about improving the defence, lateral movement or anything like that. Just shell up, try to avoid getting hit flush, throw occasional hayemakers and hope for the best.
     
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  4. Usercom

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    Now I am no Wilder fan but thinking he has no chance is simply incorrect. A couple of posters pointed out some of this earlier:

    1. Go for broke. Take it too Fury from round 1. While I don't think this has much chance of being successful, at least it would be an improvement on his previous attempt.
    2. Use a jab and avoid being crowded so that he creates space to land a big one. I don't know if Wilder has the boxing skill to execute this but he can try it.
    3. Lose weight to be more agile and then try his classic strategy of waiting for the big punch. I think this is his best approach.

    Wilder's chances though depends on the strategy Fury adopts and whether Wilder can adjust and counter it.

    Above all else though is the question is what Wilder's mindset/mentality will be. I think he was simply blown away in the second fight when Fury decided to come at him. He looked like a school ground bully who finds himself being rushed by the school nerd. Wilder seems to have bought into his own hype of "baddest man on the planet" and it seems he simply could not accept that Fury did not approach him as such.

    Before we forget, Wilder was a couple of seconds away from knocking out Fury in the first fight. To Fury's credit, he did not stay down but there is no guarantee that Wilder cannot do that again and this time get away with it.
     
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  5. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    be extremely lucky
     
  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. the straight right to the body when Fury pressures.
    2. Hooks to the body to catch him on the ropes.
    3. Develop a clinch game and put on some weight.
    4. Body punch and uppercut when Fury moves his head.

    Basically develop a complete skill set. Or hope.
     
  7. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Other than Wallin when was Fury cut?
     
  8. Brighton bomber

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    There nothing he can do but hang on and hope he doesn't get beaten up too badly next time.

    Fury has figured him out, push him onto the back foot with the jab, move him onto the right hand and beat him up. Even if Wilder can someone overcome his instincts and ingrained muscle memory and go for it and rush Fury we saw him try that after he had Fury down in the first fight and both times he walked into counters. He simply can't "take it" to Fury that will see him stopped even faster than the last fight.

    Having said that, the best thing Wilder could do in preparation for this 3rd fight is to work on throwing a right hand with power that he doesn't telegraph, either by c.ocking the right hand or stepping in with the lead foot. He needs a sneaky right hand to counter Fury's jab as he presses him because Fury sees the current right hand Wilder's possesses now coming from a mile away.

    He has to take away Fury's jab, that's what pushed Wilder back in the 2nd fight which then took away Wilder's ability to throw a right hand with power. He can't just do what he did last time and try to catch it with the right hand as Fury used that to take away Wilder's right hand by keeping that hand high as Wilder throws the right hand from below the shoulder. So either develop a right hand he can throw from the shoulder with power or learn to slip the jab and come over the top of it much like Povetkin does against an opponents jab.
     
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  9. Tyistall

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    First and foremost, Fury is not unbeatable. His wins against Wilder and Klitschko do not make up for how poor he looked against bad opposition. Yes, he KOed Wilder last time, but, that doesn't mean it's a guarantee that it will happen again. The same way Fury switched it up on Wilder, Wilder can switch it up too if trained properly. Go to the body, give Fury angles. Come up and under like Povetkin did against Whyte. If Wilder throws caution to the wind, he will either get KOed again, or get the KO himself. Also, since Fury is a known steroid cheat, I would make sure there are strict testings done before the fight. Fury coming in at 273 with power all of a sudden was very suspect for a guy who is not a known puncher. Especially a non punching steroid cheat.
     
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  10. Brighton bomber

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    I don't think Wilder has the ability to switch it up like Fury did. Fury has always been a fighter with a multi-dimensional style, he's never just been a pure boxer which people may have mistaken him for after the Wlad fight. The wins over Cunningham showed he could get down and dirty and the rematch vs Chisora showed he could put a beat down on an opponent he struggled with before.

    Wilder in contrast has always been a one trick pony. Big, rangy, hits hard, he's never shown any ability to adapt to learn to mix up his style other than be more patient accept he will get out boxed and hope he can land the right hand. It worked for him for a long time but now he's up against an opponent who's figured out to take away his right hand and with stories from Wilder's own corner that he refuses to be taught anything beyond going for a KO it's unlikely he has the mindset to switch it up on Fury.
     
  11. Murderers' Row

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    This.

    It's not easy to cut the ring off the way Fury did, some posters don't seem to realise this. Not wilders fault though, he's limited boxing skills. Also it should never be understated the impact such a battering has on a boxer. He deserves credit for getting back in the ring with Fury, regardless of his motives.
     
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  12. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only way wilder wins is 2 possible ways. He gets lucky and catches Fury cold or he turns into Floyd overnight. The loss from the second fight, the weaker skill set, and the damaged psyche all favor Fury going into the 3rd and hopefully final matchup.
     
  13. Aussie Invader

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    he needs to fight a 3 round fight.
    if he doesn't spark him inside 3 it's all over for him.
     
  14. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Active Member Full Member

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    No costume. No but seriously I agree with a few that have already said Wilder needs to make it a 3 round fight. Fury is too skilled for Wilder to try and time his right hand, Fury is not going to give him the time to do that.
     
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  15. miniq

    miniq Big Stiff Idiot Full Member

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    Close his eyes and swing

    Needs to go forwards, no matter the cost. Maximum risk.

    With both men trying to come forwards it simply comes down to the jab and who is the better fighter with better movement...and that's Fury

    Can Wilder even slips shots and dip down defensively? nope.

    Fury will toy with him...again.

    Even though Fury is rangier and bigger he can fight like a smaller man, Wilder can't.

    Wilder is basically useless when someone gets past his reach.

    There is a perfect distance where Wilder is dangerous and effective, Fury knows precisely how to stay out of it.

    Fury teetered on the edge of it for a lot of the first fight boxing on the outside but his evasiveness kept him safe

    The second fight Fury kept crossing over that "safe line" but Wilder isn't quick enough with his feet or smart enough to take advantage of it.

    Forgetting about physicality & skill this is also a mental battle, a mental battle Wilder lost years ago and cannot overcome.
     
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