What else can Floyd do to get Pacq in the ring?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by rauer, Dec 27, 2009.


  1. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No articles?:huh If PAC was a nobody in 2002 why would anyone have his name in their mouths?:think It's no biggie...b/c I've been around this sport for 20 yrs and have kept up with as many fighters as possible that are prospects or already established. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone do somthing like this to prevent a fight. Of course PAC was mentioned in the doping segment. The reason why there is so much media about this issue is b/c of Floyd and his daddy. Very smart men with regards to manipulating a situation to favor their objectives. And for me they just didn't want to have to say they didn't want to take this risk....but they wanted even less to see PAC on March 13th across the ring.
     
  2. Tettsuo

    Tettsuo Active Member Full Member

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    Funny how this is turning in a Mayweather problem and not a Pac problem.

    Pac is the one that's afraid of the test, not Floyd. Looks to me the one that's *****-fide is Pac. Or is this pro-fighter afraid of a bit of blood? It's not like it'll just be him they are drawing blood from, Mayweather is getting the exact same treatment here.
     
  3. manodealma

    manodealma New Member Full Member

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    Since Pacquiao hates blood and Mayweather hates urine... why not meet half way and try hair!

    Hair Drug Test

    All about the Hair Drug Test Process and when Hair Drug Testing is Suitable.

    It is becoming increasingly common for employers and the courts to ask for a Hair Drug Test. Testing for illegal substances in hair gives you a greater time frame of detection than urine, blood and saliva. In fact, you can often detect drugs in hair for several months - if not years, if the hair is long enough. The most common request we have for hair testing is a 3 month or 90 day history of drug use or abstinence, requiring a 3 cm (1 ¼ inches) length of hair sample.It is possible to test less than one centimetre up to any length of hair sample available, however we have to section longer hair samples into maximum 3 cm sections, to maintain the sensitivity of the hair test. As a result, the profile of drug use can range from approximately 7 or 8 days history up to in excess of 2 years (if the person’s hair exceeds 24cm in length).

    How much hair is required to carry out a hair test?

    About 50 strands of hair are necessary - obtained from the crown of the head, which is about the width of a thin pencil, or perhaps the tip of a shoe lace. There are typically in excess of 100,000 strands of hair on the head of the average person, so this should not make any cosmetic difference, unless the individual’s hair is very short.

    Hair Drug Test benefits:


    • Hair Drug Tests detect drug use over months, not days.
    • Collecting a sample for a Hair Drug Test is very simple and non-invasive.
    • Monitoring abstinence is possible over a length of time.
    • Hair testing results stand up in court.
    Are there disadvantages to carrying out a Hair Drug Test?

    The two main disadvantages to hair testing are cost, and the time frame necessary to get results. It takes several days to digest the hair sample to a stage where it can be analysed, so we have to quote up to 10 working days on any hair analysis. In terms of cost, we charge £65 plus VAT for the sample preparation (which takes about 3 days) and then £45 plus VAT per drug per section. There are a choice of about a dozen drug classes, but 1 or 2 main ones are common.

    (Source: http://www.drug-aware.com/articles/14/hair-drug-test)


    Surely this would be less invasive. All they have to do is not have a hair cut for a couple months, unless their both afraid it'd ruin their aesthetic features hehe.
     
  4. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd is the one afraid of PAC....not the other way around. Floyd and his camp was the ones to start this rumor off and for what reason? B/c PAC is doing well....better than he himself (Floyd) is doing in this sport.

    Floyd knew he'd have to face PAC b/c that was what the public was crying out for. The Winner between PAC vs Cotto was going on to face Floyd who un-retired. Why start up a rumor against a man whom you are suppose to be fighting? Unless you don't want to fight him?

    This was a convienent action by camp Floyd to have a way out. And his plan is working beautifully. He starts the rumors......it allows him to have a reaons for causing negotiations to stall and ultimately crash down so he doesn't have to say he dont' want to fight. he can hide behind the false allegations so he doesn't have to say the words most know are on the tip of his tounge..."I don't want to take a risk in facing Manny".
     
  5. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    While Arum is making plans for an alternative fight for Pacquiao against former junior welterweight titlist Paulie Malignaggi -- who has also accused Pacquiao of using PEDs -- if the Mayweather fight falls apart, Schaefer said he hasn't discussed an alternative with Mayweather.
    "We haven't discussed anybody else because the fight we want to bring to the fight fans is the one with Pacquiao," he said. "The focus is on getting Mayweather-Pacquiao done while Bob is making calls everywhere on the Malignaggi fight. That shows his focus is not on Mayweather.
    "How ridiculous is that that Pacquiao would go and fight the guy who makes accusations that he uses performance-enhancing drugs instead of Mayweather [Jr.], who didn't make those accusations? Something is not right. I don't know how to explain it other than maybe Pacquiao doesn't want the Mayweather fight."
    Dan Rafael covers boxing for ESPN.com.
     
  6. grimlocked

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  7. Dominicano

    Dominicano Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im a Floyd fan too man!!! I can believe he pussied out on Manny. I said before if Floyd pussied out one more time im off his wagon. I hope Pacman whoops dat ass.
     
  8. rauer

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    Charlie-

    1 these rumors were not started by Floyd jr- they date back several years

    2 Floyd jr has done nearly everything he can to get this fight made- see #1 post in this thread for the facts

    3 Dont put words and action into floyds mouth. Everything you have said is based purely on speculation and guesses. The facts are seen in post 1 on this thread. Facts and opinions are quite different.

    There are no diabolical "take over the world" type plans at work here. This is a simple matter of trying to get these fighters in the ring. Both sides seem to want the fight. Both sides seem to want the money. This is a sport and in sports when there are questions about drugs and doping people get tested-in ANY sport. This is not a philosophical argument- it is just the way that sports work. Everyone wanted all the HR hitting baseball players tested when those accusations started flying. Current methods as in baseball do not/ did not cut it. As a result we had Balco, sugar shane, and several Roach trained fighters linked.
     
  9. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rauer...again, when, where and what source are you suggesting that these allegations first came to surface?:deal

    If Floyd has done everything to get the fight made, he wouldn't have imposed very big obstacles to prevent the fight from happening. He would have agreed to the 50/50 and everything else and this fight would be done.

    However....he and his daddy came up with the rumors and then the additional demands which where revised and revamped each time PAC initally agreed to them. Which shows that PAC is the one bending over backwards to make the fight.

    It's just that everytime PAC agrees....Floyd and his camp make anther revision which looks to me like Floyd is trying to get out of the fight.

    I don't need to make up anything or put words or actions in Floyd's mouth. Floyd is vocal and brash enough for me to put his actions and words on blast.

    It's easy to get the best fighters in the world in the ring....or it should have been. Floyd and his team did what they decided on for what ever reason and now we have this mega fight pretty much at a stand still.

    This is boxing and not baseball. The folks who are in boxing who have been proven to be on roids or PEDs have been found out by the commissions who already have testing for banned substances in place.....these requests or demands from Floyd are out of the blue. PAC shouldn't have to justify false allegations to prove his character. His dedication and hard work in this sport prove that for him.

    For PAC to give in to EVERY demand from Floyd would open up more cans of worms b/c anyone with any kind of character could start up a rumor and make PAC have to jump through hoops to prove his innocents.
     
  10. AdiC

    AdiC Chillin' Like A Villain Full Member

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    What else can Floyd do to get Pacq in the ring?

    How about manning up?!
     
  11. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

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    He could relinquish his unprecedented and unwarranted demands for blood tests which is a method of testing that isn't unanimously regarded to be any more sufficient than urine testing amongst the medical and scientific community.

    Because there are conflicting reports regarding the effectiveness of blood testing over urine testing, the default standard of urine testing should be utilized as the method of testing just as it always has been.

    Pac has already compromised by agreeing to strenuous and random urine testing so there really is no reason that this negotiation needs to be prolonged any longer than it already has.
     
  12. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Pac needa quit with all the bull****....he knows he can't beat floyd without those drugs...
     
  13. blackpage

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    Mayweather can get Pacquiao in the ring by agreeing to a 50/50 split at 147 lbs and the same drug testing procedures used for every fight in Nevada. But that pacquiao guy is really ducking him by making such outrageous demands.
     
  14. Tettsuo

    Tettsuo Active Member Full Member

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    What very big obstacles are there? Giving a teaspoon worth of blood which both men would have to provide? Come on, that's just ******ed.

    The only demand was to submit to olympic style drug test for both men. What other demands were made?

    What demand would that be?

    So Floyd started the rumor? Pac has to jump through hoops like what? The only demand was for a random drug test that involves providing a teaspoon of blood. He'd lose way more than that sparring... or simply biting his lip while chewing bubble gum!
     
  15. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd asked for radom testing to begin with and PAC agreed...that was urine testing...then he asked for Blood tests which was agreed to as well...then Floyd asked for more testing then random testing and that's when negotiations fell through. Floyd keeps changing his requests and PAC has had enough.

    Jumping through hoops like having to do above and beyone what is required under the regulations of this sport for testing. Based purely on rumors that were spread from the Mayweather camp.