What exactly did Ruiz do to earn a fight with Lewis?

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  1. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    fulfillment to his obligation of word would have made this fight hapen. Anything after that means little because the Lewis camp simply didn't trust Bowe and Newman.
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah like anyone sticks to their word in boxing. Its whats makes the most dollars makes the most sense, and Newman wanted nothing to do with Suliaman and the WBC after they went the route of the WBA spot.
     
  3. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This was a planned mini tournament sponsored by HBO and he reneged on his word. Please be kind enough to tell me how many times in history this has happened before or since with the champion throwing his title in the trash to boot?
     
  4. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Then how come HBO signed Bowe to a seven fight deal worth an estimated 100 million after he trashed that WBC belt? They continued to air his fights and looked to make the fight down the line. HBO was just as much against working with Don King who had the WBC attached to his hip at this time than Bowe and Newman were. King had a deal with Showtime, he looked to take all his fights there. It had more to do with that than anything else.
    Holyfield did the same thing. He agreed to fight Ruddock and then backed out too.
     
  5. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why would't HBO sign Bowe? They're in the business of making money and Bowe was a not only a face, but a character who could attract viewers. To say HBO was against working with King is untrue since they did so many times after this incident. I don't know anything about Holyfield and Ruddock. I do know it was agreed the winners of Ruddock-Lewis and Bowe-Holyfield were supposed to meet and Bowe backed out.
     
  6. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    They could have told Bowe he had to fight Lewis next too. Bowe would not have trashed his belt if that was the case. Instead they allowed him to face Dokes and Ferguson because they knew the Lewis fight could grow into the superfight it would have become had both guys kept winning.
     
  7. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was already a superfight, that why HBO staged the mini tournament to beging with. :patsch
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    Alphabet obsession strikes again. Claiming that ruiz was a number 1 contender to lewis is completely laughable.

    Saying he ducked wlad I might understand because he was the number 1 contender for a while.

    Ruiz never ever became number 1, he reached the top 5 after some decent victories over holyfield and rahman but never number 1.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    With hindsight there was never an ideal time for lewis and bowe to meet. Lewis didn't really hit his stride until 97 which is when his march to the top really gathered momentum. By then bowe wasn't really relevant. He was out of shape and being pummelled by golota.

    Had lewis not lost to mccall maybe he'd have created some momentum sooner but that was never the case.
     
  10. quarry

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    your correct HBO staged the mini-tournement in 1992/3 so it was HBO who put up the money for the fights. They put up $18 million for the final with $15 million going to Bowe the undisputed Heavyweight champion of the World and $3 million going to Lewis the challenger. yet Lewis turned it down dragging his feet past the WBC deadline knowing that organisation would strip Bowe of their belt and award it to Lewis.. Bowe knew exactly what Lewis was doing so said to the WBC up you`have your belt..and binned their belt into the garbage can.. Lewis knew that if he got Bowe stripped of the belt then he would be awarded that belt and his first defence against Tony Tucker the junkie was bringing him $9 million which is 3 times more than what he would get for fighting Bowe with virtually no risk as Tucker was completely `Shot whereas Bowe was At the Top of his Game`.... it's simple really. do i blame Lewis, NO its called business sense. yet i blame Lewis for claiming Bowe was afraid of him which simply is not true.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo"]YouTube - So Much to Talk About: Riddick Bowe (June 2009)-Pt. 4 of 5[/ame]
     
  11. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Same old rubbish over and over. You've argued Lewis wasn't worthy of a title shot in the past. You've argued no one wanted to see this fight in 1993. And you're still trying to argue Bowe didn't duck Lewis. Lmao!! :lol:

    Here's some more proof for you, hater! Carefully read the 5th and 7th paragraphs.

    http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/memory-lane-when-bowe-ducked-lewis/

    http://books.google.com/books?id=uc...=0CEUQ6AEwBTgo#v=onepage&q=bowe-lewis&f=false
     
  12. PowerPuncher

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    What did Ruiz do to do to become mandatory?

    HE didn't fight an eliminator

    Blasted out in a round 4 years prior to the only credible contender he'd ever faced

    He arguably lost to Jimmy Thunder

    His best win was a Shot Tucker who'd just been blown out in 2 by Herbie Hide
     
  13. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Ruiz went 1-1-1 in a trilogy with Shot Holyfield! :lol:
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    That was actually after WBA Mandated him though, but to follow through that logic, when did he actually earn the right to be the number 1 contender above Wlad, Vitali, Tyson, Grant?

    2000 - mandated as WBA mandatatory with no wins over any contenders at all
    2000 - loses to Holyfield - obviously not here
    2001 - wins controversally against Holyfield, even if you think 1 win over 1 contender makes him no1 he signs a rubber match so no Lewis fight even
    2001 - draws with Holyfield - so now in the scheme of things isn't even above Holyfield
    2002 - gets outboxed by Kirk Johnson and fakes low blows to win a controversal DQ - no not really and Kirk Johnson becomes every bit as credible opponent as Ruiz
    2003 - loses a shutout to Jones Jr

    Lewis retires

    At no time was he ever considered the top challenger in the division. No one ever called for Lewis to face Ruiz, Ruiz's promoter paid Lewis not to fight Ruiz, Ruiz never was in a position to be a relevant challenge. The only criticism is from Lefthook31 who uses Lewis not facing Byrd/Ruiz as his defense for Bowe not facing Lewis. And obviously Quarry who's a blatant troll
     
  15. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    in 2000, the first ruiz vs evander fight was controversial. ruiz probably deserved the win in that fight. in the second fight, ruiz clearly won imo knocking down evander in the process. in the third fight, i thought evander clearly won. i believe i had it 8-4.