What exactly does Pavlik bring that Calzaghe hasn't dealt with before?

By the way, I find it amusing how many people make comparisons between Lacy and Pavlik because they both have power.

 

Who mentioned the Hopkins knockdown? It was obviously a flash knockdown and Calzaghe was not hurt by it. It's irrelevant.

What I ponder more is how an aging Calzaghe will cope with a thousand hard punches on fight night.

Pavlik probably does!

Lacy is nowhere near as good as Pavlik in any way. More appropriate to your point, Lacy's effective aggression is so much weaker than Pavlik's.

 

But how much does Joe actually put at the end of these punches?? If you watched the Hopkins/Calzaghe fight, you cannot say the majority of Joe's shots were much more than ... sorry to say - "slappish". They were showing replays of some of the encounters and Joe was literally pawing with his gloves. That doesn't take much energy to do, fairly easy compared to hard shots thrown which take up alot of energy - hence the term "nothing on his punches" for fighters entering later rounds. Not to get down on Joe's workrate, but I'm not gonna believe most of those shots had much to them.

 

I thought the thread should have been locked at that point. We know what Kelly has, we know what Joe has. Just put them in the ring and let them decide the issue.:deal

 

That'd be the best idea. With Abraham fighting Miranda, a unification won't happen. Duddy being disposed due to cuts and an unimpressive performance leaves him out (as well as the ever-praised Andy Lee). Sturm is in some kind of witness protection program in Germany so he's out as well. Calzaghe stated he would like to fight Pavlik, and Pavlik the same. Hopefully Arum and Warren can work something out for a fight in the near future.

 

On the face of it, yes, but I think his point was the amount. People that make it to champion in boxing are a breed apart. That may be more the tale here than anything. The older you get, the more your body just won't take physical punishment. Sometimes your body wins and saves you from yourself. That is why I would have to say Joe's heart would be incredible if he beat Pavlik, because he would get punished in the process.

 

Its just my opinion that he hits harder, and I based that not on KO% but the reactions you see from the guys he hits. Lacy and Kessler are strong punchers, but Pavlik's punches have a different effect on fighters. Even the ones that don't seem all that hard, or clean. I have been a student of boxing all my life, and have only seen a few fighters that seem to have that same ability. Dempsey, Tyson, Marciano, Bob Foster, and Duran are a few off the top of my head. They sometimes just clip people and they go down, or stagger. I think Pavlik has that type of power. The Lockett fight is a good example. About half way through the first rd Lockett was just tapped on the forehead with a ok right hand. Hardly a killer shot, but he almost went down, and was never in the fight after that. He had a big bruise on his forehead? I never said Pavlik is superman. He is what he is. He can be hit, and I think out boxed. A young JC would have been a much better fight. However based on what I saw in the Hopkins fight, I don't think JC could keep Pavlik off him for 12 rds.

 

That is pretty much how I saw the fight. It was over in the first. People underestimate how hard it is to make your body take that kind of punishment. The older you get, the harder it gets. That is why Bhop fought the way he did against Cal.

People give Kelly credit for his finishing skills but seem to ignore the fact you don't get to use finishing skills unless you have SETUP SKILLS.

 

You mean for beating an incredibly one dimensional fighter with half as many fights as him in his own backyard that has been reduced to nothingness?

 

:good

 

jack is a great poster

 

Jack -- those comparisons show one of two things. Either the person doesn't know **** about Pavlik, or else they just don't know **** about boxing!

 

Pavlik will not be throwing 1000 punches, not even close. He only threw 800 against Taylor in 12 rounds and his workrate will be significantly worse against Calzaghe, who will make him more tentative than usual. But that doesn't even matter anyways, because it won't go the distance.

Also, at 168 the Lacy that fought Calzaghe would stop Pavlik. The funny thing is that Pavlik won't even be able to get Lacy'd against Calzaghe because he doesn't have Lacy's chin. He'll just get embarassed and stopped, not destroyed and ruined like Lacy.

 

He brings Kelly Pavlik. I've been a boxing fan for so long that I remember having arguments on the school bus about whether or not a young upstart named Cassius Clay could beat Sonny Liston! I've been watching Pavlik closely for awhile, and Joe won't present anything Kelly can't handle. The real question is: When was the last time Joe faced a highly skilled power house who will fight like he would rather die than lose? That's the question we should be asking, because that is what Joe will be faced with.