What exactly has Mosley done that make him so great?

part of it is cause he's such a nice guy (shouldn't matter, but it does) and i think part of it was that we know it was for one fight and he DID admit it right away (not publicly but to the jury). it's written off as a one off, innocent mistake

 

Ok true, coming back from losses doesn't erase the fact that you lost the damn fights to begin with, but i think when you talk about a guy's resume, you need to factor in the quality of his losses as well as the quality of his wins. Mosley's losses were all to elite fighters, although Forrest was somewhat under the radar and not necessarily recognized as such. Also Forrest and Winky had a natural size advantage over Shane especially Winky. And finally, i can't get over the fact that the TS didn't mention Mosley's wins over Collazo and Margarito at all.

I think though that before calling a guy overrated it needs to be clearly established how he is rated... Were do we rate Mosley? I myself think he's one of the top-10 fighters of the past 10-15 years, but i certainly don't put him up there with certain other fighters that went by the nickname 'sugar'. Does that mean he falls just short of being an ATG? How do we define these things?

 

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Appreciate the appreciation guys! Nice to feel like i'm making sense sometimes lol

 

that is not true. Before Mosley fought Cotto and Margarito, these kind of threads were brought up. Especially threads about Mosley being past his best.

 

Are you kidding me???? Both the versions of Oscar that Mosley beat would have kicked Pac's ass... Really bad.

 

I like Shane and all, but I think he is vastly overrated. What has he done in his career that makes him so great?

Before he burst into the spotlight by beating De La Hoya in their first fight, who noteworthy had he been against? Calling Jesse James Leija "noteworthy" might be a stretch.

Leija had just defeated the legendary Azumah Nelson right before the Mosley fight so yeah thats alittle more then noteworthy. Shane was 34-0 with 32 KOs, the most dominant Lightweight Champion in years and just scored 2 KOs at Welterweight face it he was a big
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So, after he beat De La Hoya, he fought three scrubs in a row, then got beat twice in a row by Vernon Forrest.

Antonio Diaz was far from a scrub in the 2 years prior to his fight with Mosley he had defeated Micky Ward, Omar Gabriel Weis, Cory Spinks, Ivan Robinson, James Crayton, Emmanuel Augustus among others is that what you consider a scrub ?

He fought a no-contest, then fought De La Hoya again, this time getting a gift decision. That was in 2003. Since then, what has he done that is so spectacular? He lost to Winky Wright twice in a row, looked like **** against Estrada, Cruz, and Mayorga,

So losing to Winky Wright is bad ? Shane really looked like **** laying Mayorga out that night.

was actually losing against Vargas in their first fight, got beat by Cotto...

What ? This is taken from Mosley's boxrec page.

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Cleary Shane was up on 2 of 3 judges scorecards so incase you dont know math that means he was winning a SD on the scorecards.


...and through all that, it came to light that he was using steroids, something people seem to be turning a blind eye to.

No they havent many people have turned their backs on Mosley or at the very least question some of his career. Those who havent are just loyal fans like myself.

Margarito was the first guy he looked spectacular against in at least six or seven years, and now, despite going over a year without fighting, people act like he is one of the greatest just because of the Margarito fight.

Mosley looked spectacular agianst Fernando Vargas in the rematch in 2006 and he looked spectacular vs Luis Collazo in 2007 and agian pal if you dont know math thats only 3 and 4 years ago.

Mosley is a 4 time Champion in 3 different weight classes, defended his Lightweight title 8 times all by KO cementing his status as one of the most dominant Lightweights ever, was at one point the number 1 p4p fighter in the sport. Owns wins over World Champions and/or possible future HOFers like Jesse James Leija, Oscar De La Hoya 2x, Fernando Vargas 2x, Luis Collazo, Antonio Margarito, Ricardo Mayorga, John Brown, John John Molina and Phillip Holliday. That is exactly whats he done to be considered to great.

 

I dont know why people crucify Mosley for fighting the best i really dont. If Mosley never fought Wink/Forrest imagine how much more highly he would be thought of, but he would still be the same fighter capable of losing to Wink/Forrest. Mosley has losses because he fought the best where as a lot of these undefeated fighters have ? over their competition/resume, now is that a coincidence? Not imo it isn't.

You fight the best fighters consistently you will lose its that simple. If you pick and choose when to fight certain opponents and the styles you want to fight or fight people when they have just lost or at the tail end of their careers your % of staying undefeated are heightened and i feel you can level most of this at most fighters who are experienced Pro's and still undefeated.

Its almost as though people would rather punish someone instead of reward the with respect for fighting the best because their resume is more patchy than their rival because they dared to fight the best available.

 

Do you even know what you are talking about? You should be praising Mosley for having the balls to fight people that were not only bigger than him, but had a stylistic advantage over him, and were also ducked by many fighters. In both cases, Mosley came back and made the fight closer the second time around.

Pac is a great fighter, but he would never be allowed to fight a Wright or a Forrest, too much of a risk. Even Roach said before the fight the reason they were fighting Oscar was because they didn't think he had it anymore, if it was the Oscar Mosley fought, you better believe they would have never taken the fight.

Pac's risks are calculated more than some people would think.

 

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They were bad style matchups for him. Arguably the second Forrest fight could've been ruled a draw. People in the past fought each other many times like Ray Robinson and he lost to Fullmer twice so does that mean he's not a great fighter?

 

There was an uproar...what...you think because you don't see it right now it never happend?

 

Thats what people said about Cotto, Hatton, DLH on Pac..with as much confidence. Unless its happened, nothing is certain.