What exactly is a Boxer-Puncher?

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  1. johnnykoolkid

    johnnykoolkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When i think of a boxer-puncher, i typically think of two fighters, Tommy Hearns and Gerald McClellan (and sometimes Tito Trinidad), two fighters who could box beautifully, but their main objective was the KO, to box their way to a KO if you will, and when they had their opponent hurt, they finished them off beautifully (which Tito didn't do beautifully at times), but do boxer-punchers necessarily have to pack a strong "Punch" because being a "Puncher" (Shavers, Maidana, J. Jackson) is a completely different term, IMO

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  2. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I kinda like your definition. I think the best example is the Sugar man

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60GuoYpmbJo[/ame]
     
  3. johnnykoolkid

    johnnykoolkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    nice, nice, never get tired of watching SRR, WAY TOO ahead of his time, but now, would you consider Sugar Ray Leonard a Boxer-Puncher??
     
  4. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    SRR is the best example. Oscar, Rj, and SRL are others. They can box beautifully in one fight and brutally ko an opponent in the next. Or both.
     
  5. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Definitely, I should have just went on and said both Sugars when I posted that
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Whoever Sean O'Grady says they are....:nonono
     
  7. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When was McClellan a "beautiful boxer"? He was about as clean an example of a pure bomber as I've seen. Not a brawler necessarily, but a flat out power punching bomber. He was no boxer. His technical skills were far too lacking due to his reliance on power, although he did show flashes of becoming a decent one in his early days before becoming over-reliant on his chin and punch. Jackson was actually better technically.

    Hearns is a prime example of a boxer-puncher, though. It's essentially a guy who is/was a skilled boxer with dangerous power. Someone who used those skills to set up the damaging punches for the finish. It's also someone who wasn't over-reliant on either attribute, capable of switching it up to either mode when faced with an opponent who made such a turn necessary.
     
  8. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    It has Juan Manuel Marquez written all over it.
     
  9. huitzi

    huitzi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yep JMM. boxing skills with the main objective to wear your opponent down.... not just box your way to a boring decision.
     
  10. johnnykoolkid

    johnnykoolkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwrgXiuKU0s[/ame]

    You don't see the right hand feints? Or the snapping jab to the head and body? What about the parries? and lets not forget the footwork
     
  11. Boxing Fanatic

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    martinez. i luv fighters like that. no ho--
     
  12. DeadlyOverhand

    DeadlyOverhand Active Member Full Member

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    I agree SRR is a great example


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    Two Great warriors and Punchers (Sugar out his prime was still great)
     
  13. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:Right hand feints? Those were pulled punches, buddy, not feints.

    He had a pretty good jab which he used to set up the right hand. The more his career progressed the more right hand happy he became, almost always over-reaching and leaving himself wide open to counters when he missed. Not to mention his defense was just full of holes in general. It didn't really matter because he had a granite chin, but we saw where that got him.

    You're really reaching with the parries and footwork. It's true, he didn't trip over his own feet, but that doesn't mean his footwork was anything notable. His over-reliance on the right hand led to balance issues. I won't waste my finger stamina typing about his parrying skills based on one round against a shot John Mugabi.

    Watch his fight with Jackson, the full fight. He lost pretty much every round up until the finish, and was getting nailed time and again with flush shots due to his porous defense and lack of ring generalship. He did showcase an iron chin, though, no doubt about that.

    McClellan was a huge Middleweight with a monster punch (in both hands when you take into account that ripping left hook to the body), a granite chin, and a vicious killer instinct, but his skills and intelligence left a lot to be desired. Someone like Jones Jr. would've played it safe and countered him to pieces.
     
  14. SonOfCuba

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  15. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :shock: you can say that again. He ate some bombs