What Fighter had a Successful Boxing Career with Virtually NO REAL TALENT???

No. You don't win a gold medal and your first 18 fights without talent. Try again.

 

I won't, cause I could run it by you a 1000 times but you wouldn't have teh capacity to understand

 

Well, there's two ways to interpret a successful career: 1) Financial 2.) Accomplishments. Normally these go together, but in the case of butterbean they did not. He was a sideshow...that's all. He made a lot of money playing a clown. But as far as accomplishments, he got his ass kicked by a 50 year old Larry Holmes.atsch

 

Now, now, lets not get emotional and irrational. Well, it appears its not just me who does't understand so if your a real man (or woman) maybe you should stop posting on this thread to prevent further embarrasment.

 

dude, you're more obsessed with what I wrote than I am. Some of the other posters have gotten it, and if you go back in the thread you'll see that. I'm not shocked that most of the posters haven't, thats quite normal on ESB.

If you don't get it, just move on with your life. I'm not weeping tears over your bull****, so don't try to flatter yourself.

 

John Ruiz by a country mile. Seriously, I think he'd even be the envy of the factory workers of yesteryear.

 

I think people are getting talent confused with natural ability or physical traits. for example one person stated that he considers boxing as: Speed, power, quickness, agility, reflexes - those things are talent. In my opinion anyway". You coul have all of these traits but not be an excellent running back. Talent is a skill that is learned by using your natural traits. B-hop is one of the most talented boxers in the past generation . . . he is a skilled. I think Ricky Hatton has used his limited talent to obtain the greatest rewards. Is he the least talented individual mentioned . . . no! But he has made a lot of dough.

 

Yeah, your just so far ahead of your time. Actually, im suffering from writers block and need some creative material. Im so obssessed i may even start a new thread asking 'If Bernard Hopkins actually had any REAL boxing talent'.

P.S Boxing is not just about physical talent, but also mental. Something you don't appear to be able to grasp judging by your previous posts on this thread.

 

I consider talent natural, innate ability. While skills are learned ability. If you look up the definition of the word talent i'm sure natural ability is one of them.

 

I see what your saying but it's not relevant to this thread. The title is "What Fighter had a Successful Boxing Career with Virtually NO REAL TALENT". Albeit i don't believe that for one second that any fighter with a decent record could have virtually no talent, but could you reallyput B-HOP in this category?

You even stated..he has very good power, very good speed, and a very good chin..this is enough evidence alone to suggest that he has "some" talent let alone other abilities that B-HOP posseses. Your statement suggests that B-HOP doesn't possess a one particular ability which he's "known" for i.e. jones - reflexes, pac - power and speed - floyd - speed and defence etc. Whereas B-HOP is very good in all departments but not great. But him being very good in almost every department, suggests that he does have talent and alot of it.

 

dude its hilarious to see you telling me not to get emotional over and over again while i seriously don't give a **** about waht you think and you keep harping at it non stop and even want to make a side-thread about it. If you don't agree with me, I'm cool with that.

And I did mention in my previous post how Hopkins intelligence, his mental strength, is what makes him better than others. Thats what allowed him to be better than more naturally talented fighters.

 

I agree with this. Some times a paticular talent or attribute is very difficult to identify, unless its blatantly obvious to people. For exapmle, Jones speed would be easier to spot than Hopkin's ring craft.

 

I agree and that is what I said. But having natural ability does not mean being a talented boxer. Zab has great natural ability, on par with PBF, but no one in their right mind would say that he is as talented.

 

key word "REAL" talent. As in exceptional handspeed or exceptional power. If I were to ask you what is Hopkins' real talent? I'm sure you would say his ring intelligence. In that sense he does have a talent but its not a natural athletic talent like most other fighters.

Going from your point of view, the answer should be NONE. Because NO fighter can have a successful career if he has NO talent.

 

Ok ok, im gunna drop it. Lets agree to disagree, i think Hopkins is supremely talented and you think he has no real boxing talent. We move on and respect each others views. End of.