what fighter has greatest offensive abilities ever?

I didn't say he didn't have great offense. I said he does have great offense, top 20 ALL TIME.

I said that the reason he is a less than clear choice for any top 5 (or should be) is because of the way he deploys his skillset, every bit as important power or speed as far as determing the greatest offencive machine of all time as far as I can see.

Buddy, this is pretty typical video-game analysis. You are crediting Jones for his abilities - fine - but failing to penalise him for the way he deployed them. Not fine.

Granite chins that Archie Moore (my no.5) cracked:

Rocky Marciano. Dropped for the count.
Harold Johnson. STOPPED by Moore.
Bob Baker. STOPPED by Moore.
Joe Maxim. Dropped twice by Moore.
Oakland Billy Smith. Stopped by Moore.
Ezzard Charles. Dropped by Moore.

There are other arguable candidates, like Coca Kid but the waters get murky.


Granite chins that Roy Jones cracked:

Virgil Hill?

 

Liston is up there on the accuracy, variance and power but his hands are slow. Not as important as people think, but still, #1?

 

Here's a top 25:

01 - Joe Louis
02 - Sam Langford
03 - Mike Tyson
04 - Sugar Ray Robinson
05 - Archie Moore
06 - Sonny Liston
07 - Bob Fitzsimmons
08 - Alexis Arguello
09 - Thomas Hearns
10 - Sandy Saddler
11 - Jack Demspey
12 - Bob Foster
13 - Stanley Ketchel
14 - Charley Burley
15 - Rocky Marciano
16 - Ruben Olivares
17 - Roy Jones Junior
18 - Henry Armstrong
19 - Julian Jackson
20 - Carlos Zarate
21 - Wilfredo Gomez
22 - Ike Williams
23 - Eder Jofre
24 - Dick Tiger
25 - Roberto Duran


I'll bet i've forgotten somebody...

 

Slot Kodi in between Jofre and Williams then.